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I've got a lot of things that I would like to say in reply to you but I can only share some of them. > enlightenment is a realization, not a state of being If

by _z7iw 3y ago

I've got a lot of things that I would like to say in reply to you but I can only share some of them. > enlightenment is a realization, not a state of being If you say something is "not" a state, that is a state. ... no? If you say it's beyond words, then it's not. If you don't know how one might state it, then it's better to be able to know and say so. > there is a state we can attain of true clarity and supreme perception that is often referred to as nirvana but it's just a state of supreme focus, it also passes This is not totally true. It is true that karma can be reborn. But who says the "state" has gone anywhere? What you're referring to seems to be the temporary nirvana - the magical city, for example - made up by the Buddha as he is recorded has having admitted in the White Lotus Sutra of the True Law. If it were actual rest then you would also be at ease as to the question of how to not let that state pass. And the answer is: omniscience. But he knew while pacing around his tree that beings wouldn't be ready to accept this, would doubt it, become afraid at it, or exhausted about it, or think themselves not the inheritors of it. So he made up the temporary nirvana as one of the benefits you get from one or more of the "vehicles" he also made up at his tree as a device to lead beings to the time they'd be ready to hear his disclosure that there are no three vehicles, no multiple nirvanas, but the singular Buddha-yana and the one actual nirvana. > Then you are still in WoW, still a Dwarf, still just playing the game. But you know the true nature of things, Contradiction. Check out the Diamond Sutra. There are no living beings. What we call living beings, aren't. Actual living beings aren't like that. Quite a good one of his. The Diamond Which Cuts Through Illusion. > This is why is in the Gospel of Thomas Jesus says, "Those who learn the truth will be troubled" Enlightenment doesn't necessarily even make things easier if you don't truly embrace reality for what it is. Yessss high five "If you know the truth, you will be lonely; If you tell the truth, you will be under a curse" and ... those who know of the true way... do not speak of it as if it is such a great thing. Things like that. After enlightenment, someone's life becomes harder. You will be obliged to do things bound by duty being the only one who can see, like a parent, in whose hands the future resides to some degree. How much more so when you face the ridicule of those of small virtue. Check out #41 of the tao te ching as well. Take care

NemoNobody 3y ago
Everything was essentially made up by the Buddha - he expanded upon the teachings of the Brahmins before him but much of what we think of as Buddhism was made up by people other than him. Truth is revealed as can be understood. He was limited by the capabilities of those to whom he was speaking, that is evident everywhere in his sayings. The teachings he left were sufficient for the people of the time but today I think them more a trap than a gateway to truth. There are many aspects of the commonly accepted beliefs that I flat out fundamentally disagree with - the cessation of karma for example. I also believe that Buddha was primarily talking about a singular life when he was speaking about things like reincarnation - we live many lives within our one life, we are constantly changing and being reborn - it is controlling this cycle of rebirth in which we attain our best iteration of ourself. I'm not sure that I can explain things from a purely Buddhist perspective as I have have lifted from everything the truth I found within and now I have view entirely my own. The Buddhist teachings will only take you take to you point. I'm glad you can identify the state of mind I spoke of as whatever he made up - notice I didn't place great significance on it. That goes by many names and were I trying to convince that could not possibly understand but I needed to give them something they could do that could validate, that would have been what I would have given them also, as anyone can attain it with limited effort. You place too much faith in what you know you know
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- _z7iw 3y ago
  > Everything was essentially made up by the Buddha obvious self contradiction, fwiw Besides, do you really think he made up his loneliness, having to travel to find anyone who really wanted to learn, and then die as an old man on the side of the road? I doubt he would have chosen that, after all, why come to contribute to this world if everything were already hunky-dory,.. and frankly, it seems abusive behavior towards him to pretend he chose to suffer our stubbornness, ignorance, and pride. Again, girardian scapegoat mechanics. > he expanded upon the teachings of the Brahmins before him He referred to himself clearly as self-born and someone who saw the world on his own. One can't expand on something that doesn't contain a teaching.... sort of like your own descriptions, actually, if you don't mind my directness. > but much of what we think of as Buddhism was made up by people other than him. > The teachings he left were sufficient for the people of the time but today I think them more a trap than a gateway to truth. You need to know the fact that when people tried to transmit his teaching, they couldn't help but damage or change it. This is an unavoidable consequence of the fact that they had a lower level of consciousness than his or didn't have the ability to verify singular points of knowledge and control their karma. Maybe 1-2 people could transmit it without damaging it terribly. You and others today also can't always tell the difference between his words and what his words were changed into by many people - because you aren't yet sufficiently familiar with the law of existence and disillusioned with lies. An apple, no matter how nourishing when fresh, becomes poisonous when rotten (degenerated). Instead of poisoning your body, the deteriorated truth poisons your apparatus of awareness - your consciousness. So you're right that you can't study his teaching and probably can't recover the real teaching or a sufficient teaching for saving your life if you're in danger, as far as I know - unless you have the help of another Tathagata. Chances are if you contact Buddhism without a truthful guide, you will lose yourself. That's why I wanted to tell you what the Lotus Sutra says and I wanted to tell you that it is clear that an actual Buddha has to appear in the world in order to reveal the dharma. Until then, people forget what the teaching is, far from being able to even enunciate it without damaging it. So please do not cheat yourself by believing your thoughts.

by _z7iw 3y ago

NemoNobody 3y ago

Everything was essentially made up by the Buddha - he expanded upon the teachings of the Brahmins before him but much of what we think of as Buddhism was made up by people other than him. Truth is revealed as can be understood. He was limited by the capabilities of those to whom he was speaking, that is evident everywhere in his sayings. The teachings he left were sufficient for the people of the time but today I think them more a trap than a gateway to truth. There are many aspects of the commonly accepted beliefs that I flat out fundamentally disagree with - the cessation of karma for example. I also believe that Buddha was primarily talking about a singular life when he was speaking about things like reincarnation - we live many lives within our one life, we are constantly changing and being reborn - it is controlling this cycle of rebirth in which we attain our best iteration of ourself. I'm not sure that I can explain things from a purely Buddhist perspective as I have have lifted from everything the truth I found within and now I have view entirely my own. The Buddhist teachings will only take you take to you point. I'm glad you can identify the state of mind I spoke of as whatever he made up - notice I didn't place great significance on it. That goes by many names and were I trying to convince that could not possibly understand but I needed to give them something they could do that could validate, that would have been what I would have given them also, as anyone can attain it with limited effort. You place too much faith in what you know you know

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_z7iw 3y ago
> Everything was essentially made up by the Buddha obvious self contradiction, fwiw Besides, do you really think he made up his loneliness, having to travel to find anyone who really wanted to learn, and then die as an old man on the side of the road? I doubt he would have chosen that, after all, why come to contribute to this world if everything were already hunky-dory,.. and frankly, it seems abusive behavior towards him to pretend he chose to suffer our stubbornness, ignorance, and pride. Again, girardian scapegoat mechanics. > he expanded upon the teachings of the Brahmins before him He referred to himself clearly as self-born and someone who saw the world on his own. One can't expand on something that doesn't contain a teaching.... sort of like your own descriptions, actually, if you don't mind my directness. > but much of what we think of as Buddhism was made up by people other than him. > The teachings he left were sufficient for the people of the time but today I think them more a trap than a gateway to truth. You need to know the fact that when people tried to transmit his teaching, they couldn't help but damage or change it. This is an unavoidable consequence of the fact that they had a lower level of consciousness than his or didn't have the ability to verify singular points of knowledge and control their karma. Maybe 1-2 people could transmit it without damaging it terribly. You and others today also can't always tell the difference between his words and what his words were changed into by many people - because you aren't yet sufficiently familiar with the law of existence and disillusioned with lies. An apple, no matter how nourishing when fresh, becomes poisonous when rotten (degenerated). Instead of poisoning your body, the deteriorated truth poisons your apparatus of awareness - your consciousness. So you're right that you can't study his teaching and probably can't recover the real teaching or a sufficient teaching for saving your life if you're in danger, as far as I know - unless you have the help of another Tathagata. Chances are if you contact Buddhism without a truthful guide, you will lose yourself. That's why I wanted to tell you what the Lotus Sutra says and I wanted to tell you that it is clear that an actual Buddha has to appear in the world in order to reveal the dharma. Until then, people forget what the teaching is, far from being able to even enunciate it without damaging it. So please do not cheat yourself by believing your thoughts.