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On a few occasions I've done a few weeks of refactoring the php source toward creating just such a fork, but decided it was just going to be too much work over

On a few occasions I've done a few weeks of refactoring the php source toward creating just such a fork, but decided it was just going to be too much work over time for too little benefit for too few people. And that's true of pretty much all "legacy-free" forks: it's fun to rip out all the legacy crap, but you're left with an incompatible language in the end, at which point you're probably better off starting with a different language entirely.

endofreach 3y ago
Anything of your refactorings public to check out? > but you're left with an incompatible language in the end, at which point you're probably better off starting with a different language entirely. Yes, but which one? No matter which one i try, in the end, i am always close to rewriting it with php. Eg as many good things go has, i don't enjoy the syntax as much as phps. I could live with it, given the advantages. But i can't get over it, that most of my code seems to be error checking. Sure, that's probably a good thing for serious work. But that's just not where the joy in programming lies for me. Most cases phps try-catch feels much, much more elegant / fun to write (not comparing the efficiency of the outcome). I do love the fact i end up with a single executable. And php without framework requires much more overhead, which is also annoying. And i am done with php frameworks.
- chuckadams 3y ago
  I'm afraid I burned it down to the ground, but the last attempt never got me much past reorganizing the headers and ripping out ifdefs for all non-posix systems (bye bye windows support). These days I'm interested in more green-field languages like unison, though I'm still trying to think of something to write in it (or any inspiring language, really).
  - endofreach 3y ago
    Interesting. I haven't even heard about unison. Just skimmed the website and it looks interesting. Thanks for mentioning it!

endofreach 3y ago

Anything of your refactorings public to check out? > but you're left with an incompatible language in the end, at which point you're probably better off starting with a different language entirely. Yes, but which one? No matter which one i try, in the end, i am always close to rewriting it with php. Eg as many good things go has, i don't enjoy the syntax as much as phps. I could live with it, given the advantages. But i can't get over it, that most of my code seems to be error checking. Sure, that's probably a good thing for serious work. But that's just not where the joy in programming lies for me. Most cases phps try-catch feels much, much more elegant / fun to write (not comparing the efficiency of the outcome). I do love the fact i end up with a single executable. And php without framework requires much more overhead, which is also annoying. And i am done with php frameworks.

chuckadams 3y ago
I'm afraid I burned it down to the ground, but the last attempt never got me much past reorganizing the headers and ripping out ifdefs for all non-posix systems (bye bye windows support). These days I'm interested in more green-field languages like unison, though I'm still trying to think of something to write in it (or any inspiring language, really).
- endofreach 3y ago
  Interesting. I haven't even heard about unison. Just skimmed the website and it looks interesting. Thanks for mentioning it!