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Shouldn’t literally all jobs be skills-based?

ghxst 3y ago
Being skilled is only part of being a good employee, I think it's fair to look at a degree as an indication that someone is able to commit to something long term etc but of course I have to assume there's a way for people without degrees to make up for that indication.
- briandear 3y ago
  Measuring commitment using a university degree is rather silly. I have two degrees, including an MBA, and I’m just as non-committal as I was before the degrees.
  - mrits 3y ago
    You'd also have to show it is a commitment to the job and and not a commitment to improving themselves. Common sage advise now is to job hop at the beginning of your career.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    I mean, it's a question of degree (ha!). An MBA (I have one) is pretty straightforward if you have a technical degree from a decent school; read any of the MBA first year books and it's always the math that gets people as was certainly the case when I was a tutor. But, even so, it takes some degree of commitment to plow through a formal education program.
- ghaff 3y ago
  It's also an indication--assuming a school of a certain tier--that someone else has already put the effort into vetting a person so you may not even need to. As far as a degree is concerned, I was once given an offer without even interviewing. I asked to come in and talk to people anyway but I didn't need to.
avmich 3y ago
If you hire a person to change a spark plug, yes, you need a specific skill. If you hire a person for a job - for something which you can't really narrowly define, and don't want to, for something which may need adaptation to unexpected tomorrow, then you need those specific skills of learning on the fly - something closely associated with prolonged education program. The program could be less formal or official, but you still want to see the ability to improve, possibly improve by oneself, and even sometimes to participate in generating ideas and decisions - and education is the process where you have good opportunities to flex these kind of muscles.
- mrits 3y ago
  Do you think a top 1% in something like SAT/ACT or a college degree is a better indicator of intelligence and ability to learn on the fly? Certainly at the beginning of the college career the top 1% would be a better indicator but at what point would the college education surpass that?
- 23B1 3y ago
  You think industrialized education is an opportunity to demonstrate flexibility, ambiguity, and independence? Huh!

Being skilled is only part of being a good employee, I think it's fair to look at a degree as an indication that someone is able to commit to something long term etc but of course I have to assume there's a way for people without degrees to make up for that indication.

briandear 3y ago
Measuring commitment using a university degree is rather silly. I have two degrees, including an MBA, and I’m just as non-committal as I was before the degrees.
- mrits 3y ago
  You'd also have to show it is a commitment to the job and and not a commitment to improving themselves. Common sage advise now is to job hop at the beginning of your career.
- ghaff 3y ago
  I mean, it's a question of degree (ha!). An MBA (I have one) is pretty straightforward if you have a technical degree from a decent school; read any of the MBA first year books and it's always the math that gets people as was certainly the case when I was a tutor. But, even so, it takes some degree of commitment to plow through a formal education program.
ghaff 3y ago
It's also an indication--assuming a school of a certain tier--that someone else has already put the effort into vetting a person so you may not even need to. As far as a degree is concerned, I was once given an offer without even interviewing. I asked to come in and talk to people anyway but I didn't need to.

avmich 3y ago

If you hire a person to change a spark plug, yes, you need a specific skill. If you hire a person for a job - for something which you can't really narrowly define, and don't want to, for something which may need adaptation to unexpected tomorrow, then you need those specific skills of learning on the fly - something closely associated with prolonged education program. The program could be less formal or official, but you still want to see the ability to improve, possibly improve by oneself, and even sometimes to participate in generating ideas and decisions - and education is the process where you have good opportunities to flex these kind of muscles.

mrits 3y ago
Do you think a top 1% in something like SAT/ACT or a college degree is a better indicator of intelligence and ability to learn on the fly? Certainly at the beginning of the college career the top 1% would be a better indicator but at what point would the college education surpass that?
23B1 3y ago
You think industrialized education is an opportunity to demonstrate flexibility, ambiguity, and independence? Huh!