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Seems like this is broader than just AI impersonation. It also would include a person claiming to be from the government when they’re not. > Falsely imply gove
by janalsncm 3y ago
Seems like this is broader than just AI impersonation. It also would include a person claiming to be from the government when they’re not.
> Falsely imply government or business affiliation by using terms that are known to be affiliated with a government agency or business (e.g., stating “I’m calling from the Clerk’s Office” to falsely imply affiliation with a court of law).
My first thought on this was great, I’m glad the FTC is doing something about this and I’m surprised it wasn’t already regulated by the FTC.
My second thought was the majority of this type of fraud is probably from foreign impersonation, not Americans. And it’s not like they’d be sending in predator drones for surgical strikes against scam call centers, as satisfying as that might be.
My third thought was that having this on the books and keeping a record of these violations will give the FTC leverage to crack down on telecoms that don’t do anything about it.
- JoBrad 3y agoThis is also being quickly rolled out because of the recent incident where someone robocalled called voters with a recorded voice that sounded like President Biden, urging voters to stay home instead of voting. I don’t know that they actually used AI for that, but I recall it being suggested that it might have been used, vs a voice actor.
- codetrotter 3y ago“Hello sir I am calling from Windows support.”
- cyanydeez 3y agoindeed, almost no novel criminality or fraud is occuring. robocalls should just be illegal. unidentified propaganda should be banned. ads with fraudulent claims should be prosecuted. you can argue about "to what degree" but AI isn't doing anything but exposing the true lack of enforcing of existing laws because of capitalism grease.
- llamaimperative 3y ago> but AI isn't doing anything but exposing the true lack of enforcing of existing laws because of capitalism grease. This is just a dismissive way of saying “AI isn’t doing anything but making the problem worse.”
- cyanydeez 3y agoright. I guess my opinion is "they already weren't tracking the type of fraud AI is capable; they weren't enforcing fraudulent activity..." AI just makes it more numerous. a non story. "sorry guys, we're still not regulating white color fraud"
- bobthepanda 3y agoThis is a legal clarification. Impersonation has always been illegal, but they didn't specify AI because they didn't exist back then, so now they do.
- Xeoncross 3y ago> unidentified propaganda should be banned Oh man, this sounds bad. Who gets to decide that something is the real, real truth and not propaganda? The US? China? Germany? a PAC? A company? Your neighbor?
- cyanydeez 3y ago_unidentified_
- Nevermark 3y agoI think the easily provable part of this is “unidentified”. Unsolicited and unidentified should be banned, with users being able to opt-in to any lowered bar (which would count as solicited) if they like. If businesses or political actors start sending robots to shout messages into your home from the street, without some opt-in, they would be banned. I would be happy for all unsolicited messages (mail, email, text, voice) without a specific purpose related to a relationship or related to unavoidable impact on the receiver be outlawed. Citizens that were ok with unsolicited or unidentified advertising or political messages could opt into the mediums they were ok receiving such messages on.
- kube-system 3y agoI don't think we need to ban robocalls. People do want to know when their school closes, when their prescription is ready to pick up, when their utilities will be undergoing maintenance, etc. The ban should be on unsolicited calls, which sort of does already exist, but has two major problems: too many exceptions, and calls from outside of US jurisdiction.
- bobthepanda 3y agowhatever happened to SHAKEN/STIR and why didn't that fix everything like people said it would?
- PeterisP 3y agoIIRC it's still being slowly implemented, as slowly as things are made mandatory - because any telecoms that can make money by forwarding fraudster calls to other telecoms don't want to support it.
- soupsranjan 3y agoI believe SHAKEN/STIR was mandated only for calls originating from within the US, however, most of these fraud calls are originating over VOIP (or SIP) from outside the US.
- wyre 3y agoall of those things can be communicated just as easily over text message. A solution could be opt-in on the customer side, and the business could need a license from the telecom to robocall. Otherwise the FTC could fine the telecom and/or the business for unsolicited robocalls. I would go as far to say unsolicited business calls, automated or otherwise, should be banned.
- JoBrad 3y agoNot everyone can receive or read a text message.
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- IG_Semmelweiss 3y agoI contribute my grain of sand by reporting every single spam SMS that I get . I know those are much harder to spoof so its valuable when they get reported. This is a nice little resource for quick reporting that an HNer put together recently. I have the abuse report email templated now, so all it takes is 2 minutes to report every new one. https://reportphonespam.org/#Reporting-abuse-to-your-wireless-provider https://reportphonespam.org/#Reporting-abuse-to-your-wireles... Shout out to Telnyx staff for actually processing my requests with a reasonable SLA. Your CS team should be the industry norm.
- antifa 3y agoI use to report spam SMS, then my next phone didn't have a report spam SMS option, and I've not seen the option on any phone since.
- IG_Semmelweiss 3y agothe link makes it someone easy to report. Try it out!
- antifa 3y agoNo sane person is going to intentionally touch a potentially malicious link on their phone.
- hx8 3y ago> robocalls should just be illegal I would pay extra to be part of a phone network that guaranteed humans only and displayed First + Last Name & Organization (if any) of the caller.
- notatoad 3y ago>My second thought was the majority of this type of fraud is probably from foreign impersonation, not Americans. And it’s not like they’d be sending in predator drones for surgical strikes against scam call centers, as satisfying as that might be. I think it means that american-owned social media platforms would be required to comply with these rules though, right? that seems like a fairly big deal.
- jasonwatkinspdx 3y ago> My second thought was the majority of this type of fraud is probably from foreign impersonation, not Americans. There's an industry for it in India, because they can source english call center workers there fairly easily. The youtuber Mark Rober ran into a couple of US mules for these sorts of scams while working on one of his prank videos, and decided to team up with some other youtubers to troll some of these companies in India. The video on it is worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsLJZyih3Ac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsLJZyih3Ac
- __loam 3y agoWhen are we sending DEVGRU to raid some call centers?