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There were also reports about rising extremism because of Youtube, it was discussed many times here. Also, do I have to remind of the state of Twitter? Wasn't F

by mrtksn 3y ago

There were also reports about rising extremism because of Youtube, it was discussed many times here. Also, do I have to remind of the state of Twitter? Wasn't Facebook involved in an actual genocide[0]? Maybe its just the society evolving and engagement based algorithms accelerating it? As I said, I don't see political content on TikTok but that's probably due to my engagement patters. People who are into these things, they likely see as much as they like. I do agree that social media can be a danger to the society though. IMHO, the solution to this shouldn't be suppression of speech or tune algorithms to favor any politics. After all, the world is never simple as the good vs the evil, even though every party tries really hard to depict themselves as the good ones. I think we would be better off with enforcing transparency. I would love if EU made TikTok open its algorithm and enforce review on the data that the algo runs on. [0] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...

rightbyte 3y ago
> Wasn't Facebook involved in an actual genocide[0]? Maybe its just the society evolving and engagement based algorithms accelerating it? The algorithms seem to feed people what they like, so people with fringe ideas think they have a lot of support. Matched together with mob mentality, threaten and "downvote" dissenters, which makes the "downvoted" people believe they are fringe, I can easily see how Facebook at least increases the risk of genocide mobs, or any other obscene herd mentality action. Like, people that are considered maniacs by their peers, can more easily find each other and organize, fundamentally. And the algorithm does it for them.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  Maybe its just that we as species are not able to act intelligently as large groups? Maybe we have tools to deal with bad actors in small groups but those tools don't exist in the artificial large networks? Maybe those networks are structured in such a way that we can't act in any other way and participate? Maybe being flamboyant hustler is the only succeeding strategy? I don't know but I' definitely not happy with the current state.
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    I think it is more about not having moderates around to distinguish radicals and like make them chill. The "filter bubble" is working way faster than changing friends. A radical group seem to self-radicalize in isolation, putting "moderate radicals" away, making the cycle self-enforcing.
snowpid 3y ago
I glad your engagement pattern doesn't lead you to antisemitic content According to the DSA researcher will get access to Tik tok. We might have more data in the future.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  I get all my antisemitism from Twitter. Good thing that words are not spells, I might have turned into one.

by mrtksn 3y ago

rightbyte 3y ago

> Wasn't Facebook involved in an actual genocide[0]? Maybe its just the society evolving and engagement based algorithms accelerating it? The algorithms seem to feed people what they like, so people with fringe ideas think they have a lot of support. Matched together with mob mentality, threaten and "downvote" dissenters, which makes the "downvoted" people believe they are fringe, I can easily see how Facebook at least increases the risk of genocide mobs, or any other obscene herd mentality action. Like, people that are considered maniacs by their peers, can more easily find each other and organize, fundamentally. And the algorithm does it for them.

mrtksn 3y ago
Maybe its just that we as species are not able to act intelligently as large groups? Maybe we have tools to deal with bad actors in small groups but those tools don't exist in the artificial large networks? Maybe those networks are structured in such a way that we can't act in any other way and participate? Maybe being flamboyant hustler is the only succeeding strategy? I don't know but I' definitely not happy with the current state.
- rightbyte 3y ago
  I think it is more about not having moderates around to distinguish radicals and like make them chill. The "filter bubble" is working way faster than changing friends. A radical group seem to self-radicalize in isolation, putting "moderate radicals" away, making the cycle self-enforcing.

snowpid 3y ago

I glad your engagement pattern doesn't lead you to antisemitic content According to the DSA researcher will get access to Tik tok. We might have more data in the future.

mrtksn 3y ago
I get all my antisemitism from Twitter. Good thing that words are not spells, I might have turned into one.