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There are reports of rising antisemitism thanks to Tiktok e. G. https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/bildungsstaette-anne-frank-prangert-antisemitische-speed-radikali

There are reports of rising antisemitism thanks to Tiktok e. G. https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/bildungsstaette-anne-frank-prangert-antisemitische-speed-radikalisierung-auf-tiktok-an-100.html https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/bildungsstaette-anne-frank-pr...

mrtksn 3y ago
There were also reports about rising extremism because of Youtube, it was discussed many times here. Also, do I have to remind of the state of Twitter? Wasn't Facebook involved in an actual genocide[0]? Maybe its just the society evolving and engagement based algorithms accelerating it? As I said, I don't see political content on TikTok but that's probably due to my engagement patters. People who are into these things, they likely see as much as they like. I do agree that social media can be a danger to the society though. IMHO, the solution to this shouldn't be suppression of speech or tune algorithms to favor any politics. After all, the world is never simple as the good vs the evil, even though every party tries really hard to depict themselves as the good ones. I think we would be better off with enforcing transparency. I would love if EU made TikTok open its algorithm and enforce review on the data that the algo runs on. [0] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...
- rightbyte 3y ago
  > Wasn't Facebook involved in an actual genocide[0]? Maybe its just the society evolving and engagement based algorithms accelerating it? The algorithms seem to feed people what they like, so people with fringe ideas think they have a lot of support. Matched together with mob mentality, threaten and "downvote" dissenters, which makes the "downvoted" people believe they are fringe, I can easily see how Facebook at least increases the risk of genocide mobs, or any other obscene herd mentality action. Like, people that are considered maniacs by their peers, can more easily find each other and organize, fundamentally. And the algorithm does it for them.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    Maybe its just that we as species are not able to act intelligently as large groups? Maybe we have tools to deal with bad actors in small groups but those tools don't exist in the artificial large networks? Maybe those networks are structured in such a way that we can't act in any other way and participate? Maybe being flamboyant hustler is the only succeeding strategy? I don't know but I' definitely not happy with the current state.
    - rightbyte 3y ago
      I think it is more about not having moderates around to distinguish radicals and like make them chill. The "filter bubble" is working way faster than changing friends. A radical group seem to self-radicalize in isolation, putting "moderate radicals" away, making the cycle self-enforcing.
- snowpid 3y ago
  I glad your engagement pattern doesn't lead you to antisemitic content According to the DSA researcher will get access to Tik tok. We might have more data in the future.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    I get all my antisemitism from Twitter. Good thing that words are not spells, I might have turned into one.
toyg 3y ago
That sort of cry reminds me of the '80s "Dungeons and Dragons turn children satanists!!!"...
- snowpid 3y ago
  Except there is rising antisetism in Germany (source of the report) and according to media reports there is rising antisemitism in the US which is the source of your phrase.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    Antisemitism might be rising due to many things, like an ongoing event where huge number of civilians, including children are killed. That kind of stuff can make people angry and emotional and direct it towards a group of people instead of politicians. It's beyond me why anyone would attribute it to social media company. If there was no TikTok/Twitter etc, people would have heard of it from politicians and NGOs and some people with other motives would have used it.
    - snowpid 3y ago
      Can you eloberate why the Gazian Israelian war is linked to planned terror attacks with bombs on Synogogs in Berlin? Also this link can be seen on Tik Tok so they become more antisemetic.
      - mrtksn 3y ago
        I have no idea if it is linked or if so why would it be linked on that particular incident. What I see on Twitter though, is that people get angry and seek answers when people they feel connected to are wronged and there are always people providing answers like "because Jews are like that". I wouldn't say that this is necessarily Twitters fault and I don't think these comments should be blocked. People gravitate towards easy answers to their problems and blocking doesn't help because there's private groups and real life communities where that kind of stuff is discussed. I think, people concerned of social media are also seeking easy answers like those concerned with the mass killings of Palestinians. They all have valid concerns but their desire of easy solutions is misguided. It's so easy to say its the "evil jews" and its so easy to say that social media companies are radicalising people. Only if they can do this thing they will fix it, they think. There's no easy solution to Gaza-Israel conflict, there's no easy solution to people communicating BS with each other.
DaveExeter 3y ago
I think you've identified the real problem with Tiktok! It is resistant to political censorship.
- hcfman 3y ago
  Nail, head, on.

mrtksn 3y ago

There were also reports about rising extremism because of Youtube, it was discussed many times here. Also, do I have to remind of the state of Twitter? Wasn't Facebook involved in an actual genocide[0]? Maybe its just the society evolving and engagement based algorithms accelerating it? As I said, I don't see political content on TikTok but that's probably due to my engagement patters. People who are into these things, they likely see as much as they like. I do agree that social media can be a danger to the society though. IMHO, the solution to this shouldn't be suppression of speech or tune algorithms to favor any politics. After all, the world is never simple as the good vs the evil, even though every party tries really hard to depict themselves as the good ones. I think we would be better off with enforcing transparency. I would love if EU made TikTok open its algorithm and enforce review on the data that the algo runs on. [0] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...

rightbyte 3y ago
> Wasn't Facebook involved in an actual genocide[0]? Maybe its just the society evolving and engagement based algorithms accelerating it? The algorithms seem to feed people what they like, so people with fringe ideas think they have a lot of support. Matched together with mob mentality, threaten and "downvote" dissenters, which makes the "downvoted" people believe they are fringe, I can easily see how Facebook at least increases the risk of genocide mobs, or any other obscene herd mentality action. Like, people that are considered maniacs by their peers, can more easily find each other and organize, fundamentally. And the algorithm does it for them.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  Maybe its just that we as species are not able to act intelligently as large groups? Maybe we have tools to deal with bad actors in small groups but those tools don't exist in the artificial large networks? Maybe those networks are structured in such a way that we can't act in any other way and participate? Maybe being flamboyant hustler is the only succeeding strategy? I don't know but I' definitely not happy with the current state.
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    I think it is more about not having moderates around to distinguish radicals and like make them chill. The "filter bubble" is working way faster than changing friends. A radical group seem to self-radicalize in isolation, putting "moderate radicals" away, making the cycle self-enforcing.
snowpid 3y ago
I glad your engagement pattern doesn't lead you to antisemitic content According to the DSA researcher will get access to Tik tok. We might have more data in the future.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  I get all my antisemitism from Twitter. Good thing that words are not spells, I might have turned into one.

toyg 3y ago

That sort of cry reminds me of the '80s "Dungeons and Dragons turn children satanists!!!"...

snowpid 3y ago
Except there is rising antisetism in Germany (source of the report) and according to media reports there is rising antisemitism in the US which is the source of your phrase.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  Antisemitism might be rising due to many things, like an ongoing event where huge number of civilians, including children are killed. That kind of stuff can make people angry and emotional and direct it towards a group of people instead of politicians. It's beyond me why anyone would attribute it to social media company. If there was no TikTok/Twitter etc, people would have heard of it from politicians and NGOs and some people with other motives would have used it.
  - snowpid 3y ago
    Can you eloberate why the Gazian Israelian war is linked to planned terror attacks with bombs on Synogogs in Berlin? Also this link can be seen on Tik Tok so they become more antisemetic.
    - mrtksn 3y ago
      I have no idea if it is linked or if so why would it be linked on that particular incident. What I see on Twitter though, is that people get angry and seek answers when people they feel connected to are wronged and there are always people providing answers like "because Jews are like that". I wouldn't say that this is necessarily Twitters fault and I don't think these comments should be blocked. People gravitate towards easy answers to their problems and blocking doesn't help because there's private groups and real life communities where that kind of stuff is discussed. I think, people concerned of social media are also seeking easy answers like those concerned with the mass killings of Palestinians. They all have valid concerns but their desire of easy solutions is misguided. It's so easy to say its the "evil jews" and its so easy to say that social media companies are radicalising people. Only if they can do this thing they will fix it, they think. There's no easy solution to Gaza-Israel conflict, there's no easy solution to people communicating BS with each other.

DaveExeter 3y ago

I think you've identified the real problem with Tiktok! It is resistant to political censorship.

hcfman 3y ago
Nail, head, on.