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Whatever metric apple uses. They freely admit that their chips are less powerful. Efficiency you can look up, e.g. whatever benchmark value per watt.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
I'm running Cinebench 24 right now on my M3 Max, because I'm genuinely curious about that. So far it is looking OK. In single core, it handily beats a 7900X3D at a fraction of the power draw.
xcv123 3y ago
Apple currently has the fastest single core performance according to Cinebench, Geekbench, and PassMark benchmarks https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
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- tester756 3y ago
  What about price? it seems to be waay more expensive than competition check e.g those https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html AMD and Intel beat Apple hard in perf and price benchmarks.
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    Price cannot be compared because we do not know the price of an Apple processor. In fact, Passmark does not include Apple processors in their "best value" listings [0] [0] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html
    - tester756 3y ago
      >Price cannot be compared because we do not know the price of an Apple processor It cannot be compared perfectly, but you can try to estimate its perf/$ I'm not saying this will be easy, but imagine if the whole laptop was e.g 10k usd instead of 4-5k, then you'd instantly feel that something is expensive
      - manuelabeledo 3y ago
        > It cannot be compared perfectly, but you can try to estimate its perf/$ Hardly. I don't see how one would be able to identify and normalize all the required variables, e.g. median life expectancy, average performance across metrics per watt, average power usage, residual value, etc. For instance, I can sell my 2017 MacBook Pro for roughly twice as much as my 2017 Thinkpad, which has better specs. How do you factor that?
        tester756 3y ago
        >How do you factor that? I wouldn't because it makes no sense. Occurance of great deals aint relevant here, imo. Why would I care that customers do crazy stuff on 2nd hand market? >I don't see how one would be able to identify and normalize all the required variables, e.g. median life expectancy, average performance across metrics per watt, average power usage, residual value, etc. How about building system for similar price to Macbook and comparing their performance? It, of course won't be ideal, fair, whatever, but ain't it what gamers do? They find PC configurations and check how games run on them.
  - xcv123 3y ago
    > hard in perf and price benchmarks I just showed you that Apple is equal or better in terms of single core performance. This thread is a bunch of childish fanboy nonsense, attaching egos to some brand of CPU manufacturer and ignoring actual benchmarks. Personally I don't care about $20 price differences. On a developer salary who gives a shit about price? I own Apple, Intel, and AMD cpus. They're all good.
    - tester756 3y ago
      >I just showed you that Apple is equal or better in terms of single core performance. This thread is a bunch of childish fanboy nonsense, attaching egos to some brand of CPU manufacturer and ignoring actual benchmarks. So, just because you used one metric, then I shouldnt look at the other metrics?
      - xcv123 3y ago
        You said "perf and price". Benchmarks show they are not beating Apple hard at performance. For price there is no straightforward way to compare since you can't buy standalone Apple CPUs.
        tester756 3y ago
        >Benchmarks show they are not beating Apple hard at performance So how should I understand this other ranking from the website that you've provided? https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html
        xcv123 3y ago
        Yeah that's a multi-core rating. Apple doesn't lead on that currently, but for some reason that list doesn't include the M2 Ultra which would have their highest multi-core rating. Apple beats them on single-core ratings. You can see the single-core rating if you click on one of those results.
        xcv123 3y ago

manuelabeledo 3y ago

I'm running Cinebench 24 right now on my M3 Max, because I'm genuinely curious about that. So far it is looking OK. In single core, it handily beats a 7900X3D at a fraction of the power draw.

xcv123 3y ago

Apple currently has the fastest single core performance according to Cinebench, Geekbench, and PassMark benchmarks https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

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tester756 3y ago
What about price? it seems to be waay more expensive than competition check e.g those https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html AMD and Intel beat Apple hard in perf and price benchmarks.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  Price cannot be compared because we do not know the price of an Apple processor. In fact, Passmark does not include Apple processors in their "best value" listings [0] [0] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html
  - tester756 3y ago
    >Price cannot be compared because we do not know the price of an Apple processor It cannot be compared perfectly, but you can try to estimate its perf/$ I'm not saying this will be easy, but imagine if the whole laptop was e.g 10k usd instead of 4-5k, then you'd instantly feel that something is expensive
    - manuelabeledo 3y ago
      > It cannot be compared perfectly, but you can try to estimate its perf/$ Hardly. I don't see how one would be able to identify and normalize all the required variables, e.g. median life expectancy, average performance across metrics per watt, average power usage, residual value, etc. For instance, I can sell my 2017 MacBook Pro for roughly twice as much as my 2017 Thinkpad, which has better specs. How do you factor that?
      - tester756 3y ago
        >How do you factor that? I wouldn't because it makes no sense. Occurance of great deals aint relevant here, imo. Why would I care that customers do crazy stuff on 2nd hand market? >I don't see how one would be able to identify and normalize all the required variables, e.g. median life expectancy, average performance across metrics per watt, average power usage, residual value, etc. How about building system for similar price to Macbook and comparing their performance? It, of course won't be ideal, fair, whatever, but ain't it what gamers do? They find PC configurations and check how games run on them.
- xcv123 3y ago
  > hard in perf and price benchmarks I just showed you that Apple is equal or better in terms of single core performance. This thread is a bunch of childish fanboy nonsense, attaching egos to some brand of CPU manufacturer and ignoring actual benchmarks. Personally I don't care about $20 price differences. On a developer salary who gives a shit about price? I own Apple, Intel, and AMD cpus. They're all good.
  - tester756 3y ago
    >I just showed you that Apple is equal or better in terms of single core performance. This thread is a bunch of childish fanboy nonsense, attaching egos to some brand of CPU manufacturer and ignoring actual benchmarks. So, just because you used one metric, then I shouldnt look at the other metrics?
    - xcv123 3y ago
      You said "perf and price". Benchmarks show they are not beating Apple hard at performance. For price there is no straightforward way to compare since you can't buy standalone Apple CPUs.
      - tester756 3y ago
        >Benchmarks show they are not beating Apple hard at performance So how should I understand this other ranking from the website that you've provided? https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html
        xcv123 3y ago
        Yeah that's a multi-core rating. Apple doesn't lead on that currently, but for some reason that list doesn't include the M2 Ultra which would have their highest multi-core rating. Apple beats them on single-core ratings. You can see the single-core rating if you click on one of those results.
        xcv123 3y ago