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I’m sure you’re right about this, but this does not really contradict what bdjsiqoocwk wrote, does it? Are people in Russia today more politically active than t

by p1esk 3y ago

I’m sure you’re right about this, but this does not really contradict what bdjsiqoocwk wrote, does it? Are people in Russia today more politically active than they were 10 or 20 years ago? Do they think they can influence things more?

smsm42 3y ago
What you mean by "politically" though? Politics as it is understood on the West - like people arguing in public about the best ways for society to solve their problems and to figure out the how the society should be managed - does not exist in Russia. It used to, but not anymore. This is something you can get in jail for. There's only one "correct" opinion about things - the one that the TV tells you - and if you deviate from it in any way, you are a traitor (and if you get popular, you go to jail). So you can't be "politically active" in Russia in Western sense, at least not for long. With that, Russia has different kind of "politics", commonly known in those who witnesses the USSR or any other totalitarian dictatorship - in the form of constantly inundating the subject's mind in state propaganda and things the state propaganda feels important, and constantly requiring the subjects to participate in rituals and declarations that emphasize agreement and alignment with this propaganda. If you do not participate, you are suspect - nothing serious would likely happen to you, unless you start doing Western-style politics, but you're not one of the good people anymore. And your co-worker may write a donos on you to get a promotion ahead of you, or something like that. But most people would participate in it, many - gladly, because that's what all good people do and who doesn't want to be among good people doing good things together? That's the kind of "politics" that you'd find everywhere. Oh and about influencing - I don't think anybody seriously thinks they can influence Putin's circle in any way, at least not among common people. It's just a lot of people there like it this way - the Tsar knows what to do and he does it, and our part is to support him whatever happens.
riehwvfbk 3y ago
I think everyone is a lot more political, but of course not everyone is on the same side. There are people who are fully bought in to what the Russian media is telling them. They sing Putin's praises and think he will lead them to greatness ("we'll show them!"). There are people who don't like Putin but think that a US-installed government would be worse ("he's a bastard, but he's our bastard"). And then there are those who think Russia should be "free". This last group does not seem to be sure about what it is they want; they just point out all the atrocities committed by the current government and fight amongst themselves about who will be the leader of the opposition. But people have opinions now. A few years ago everyone was largely OK to be a beneficiary of high oil prices, and OK with not paying attention to politics. As for being able to influence something: I think this depends one which group we are talking about. Group 1 is very active. Group 2 is waiting for the whole thing to blow over. Group 3 is waiting for Putin to die and has vague plans of how they are going to be the ones in charge afterwards.

by p1esk 3y ago

smsm42 3y ago

What you mean by "politically" though? Politics as it is understood on the West - like people arguing in public about the best ways for society to solve their problems and to figure out the how the society should be managed - does not exist in Russia. It used to, but not anymore. This is something you can get in jail for. There's only one "correct" opinion about things - the one that the TV tells you - and if you deviate from it in any way, you are a traitor (and if you get popular, you go to jail). So you can't be "politically active" in Russia in Western sense, at least not for long. With that, Russia has different kind of "politics", commonly known in those who witnesses the USSR or any other totalitarian dictatorship - in the form of constantly inundating the subject's mind in state propaganda and things the state propaganda feels important, and constantly requiring the subjects to participate in rituals and declarations that emphasize agreement and alignment with this propaganda. If you do not participate, you are suspect - nothing serious would likely happen to you, unless you start doing Western-style politics, but you're not one of the good people anymore. And your co-worker may write a donos on you to get a promotion ahead of you, or something like that. But most people would participate in it, many - gladly, because that's what all good people do and who doesn't want to be among good people doing good things together? That's the kind of "politics" that you'd find everywhere. Oh and about influencing - I don't think anybody seriously thinks they can influence Putin's circle in any way, at least not among common people. It's just a lot of people there like it this way - the Tsar knows what to do and he does it, and our part is to support him whatever happens.

riehwvfbk 3y ago

I think everyone is a lot more political, but of course not everyone is on the same side. There are people who are fully bought in to what the Russian media is telling them. They sing Putin's praises and think he will lead them to greatness ("we'll show them!"). There are people who don't like Putin but think that a US-installed government would be worse ("he's a bastard, but he's our bastard"). And then there are those who think Russia should be "free". This last group does not seem to be sure about what it is they want; they just point out all the atrocities committed by the current government and fight amongst themselves about who will be the leader of the opposition. But people have opinions now. A few years ago everyone was largely OK to be a beneficiary of high oil prices, and OK with not paying attention to politics. As for being able to influence something: I think this depends one which group we are talking about. Group 1 is very active. Group 2 is waiting for the whole thing to blow over. Group 3 is waiting for Putin to die and has vague plans of how they are going to be the ones in charge afterwards.