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The dream is for intelligence, not just a parrot.

Kim_Bruning 3y ago
If intelligence is your personal dream, that's fine. The statement -however- was "it speaks fluent English." I think several LLMs have sufficiently demonstrated the ability to communicate concepts using natural language to be able to say that the statement is true. If you tie an LLM to underlying software (and thus also ultimately hardware, if desired), it can take your instructions in natural language, translate them into a form suitable for the software to process, and then take the output and render that back into intelligible natural language. On that basis, I would argue that the statement "it speaks fluent English" is essentially correct. If you assert "but that has nothing to do with intelligence", you may or may not be correct, but -combining personal empirical observation with your world model- , intelligence would then appear to be orthogonal to the ability to speak English. Either that, or there is a flaw in your world model. Whatever the case may be, LLMs are quite evidently capable of communicating in English.
- EchoChamberMan 3y ago
  Yes, and I don't disagree it communicates. I even went so far as to look up the definition of the word speak, and there are two that are relevant. One is a mechanical interpretation, producing english words, and the other is about feelings and thoughts. gpts qualify under the mechanical definition, but not the thoughts and feelings one. [Edit] And the dream isn't one of mine, the parent references "sci fi dream."
  - Kim_Bruning 3y ago
    Ok, if we agree it communicates in natural language, we're pretty much in agreement. Are we still arguing whether "able to speak english" is or is not a subset of "able to communicate in natural language", or are we in agreement in our entirety now? And there are many "sci fi dream"s of course, one of which is/was for computers to be able to communicate in natural language. (See eg: star trek, iron man)
    - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
      There's a third option! We agree gpts do speak in the mechanical sense, but not in the sense of sharing thoughts or feelings. I often think of the "Fool's Choice" from "Crucial Conversations:" saying nothing, or being emotional, when the best path is the middle ground, a thoughtful response. Something I am still working on!

If intelligence is your personal dream, that's fine. The statement -however- was "it speaks fluent English." I think several LLMs have sufficiently demonstrated the ability to communicate concepts using natural language to be able to say that the statement is true. If you tie an LLM to underlying software (and thus also ultimately hardware, if desired), it can take your instructions in natural language, translate them into a form suitable for the software to process, and then take the output and render that back into intelligible natural language. On that basis, I would argue that the statement "it speaks fluent English" is essentially correct. If you assert "but that has nothing to do with intelligence", you may or may not be correct, but -combining personal empirical observation with your world model- , intelligence would then appear to be orthogonal to the ability to speak English. Either that, or there is a flaw in your world model. Whatever the case may be, LLMs are quite evidently capable of communicating in English.

EchoChamberMan 3y ago
Yes, and I don't disagree it communicates. I even went so far as to look up the definition of the word speak, and there are two that are relevant. One is a mechanical interpretation, producing english words, and the other is about feelings and thoughts. gpts qualify under the mechanical definition, but not the thoughts and feelings one. [Edit] And the dream isn't one of mine, the parent references "sci fi dream."
- Kim_Bruning 3y ago
  Ok, if we agree it communicates in natural language, we're pretty much in agreement. Are we still arguing whether "able to speak english" is or is not a subset of "able to communicate in natural language", or are we in agreement in our entirety now? And there are many "sci fi dream"s of course, one of which is/was for computers to be able to communicate in natural language. (See eg: star trek, iron man)
  - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
    There's a third option! We agree gpts do speak in the mechanical sense, but not in the sense of sharing thoughts or feelings. I often think of the "Fool's Choice" from "Crucial Conversations:" saying nothing, or being emotional, when the best path is the middle ground, a thoughtful response. Something I am still working on!