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The title of this post is missing a critical qualifier: gaming.

wkat4242 3y ago
True but I hear less and less love for Ubuntu from other Linux users. Mint seems on the rise though, a lot of people hate snap and mint removing it from Ubuntu fixes that problem.
- eternityforest 3y ago
  This kind of worries me, Ubuntu is by far my favorite distro, and one of the only reasons I don't just go back to windows after 10+ years of Linux, largely specifically because of Snap. Although, I suppose if it went down some Flatpak based distro might take it's place eventually.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    You actually like snap? Wow I've never heard a Linux user say that :) I never was a big fan of Ubuntu myself also because I hate Gnome (really the whole philosophy is completely counter to my own) and Kubuntu never really worked for me. For example it didn't allow ZFS on root when I tried it last (20.04 I think). The snap thing was an extra detractor for me but I was already off Ubuntu at that point. In the end I ended up with FreeBSD and KDE which made me a lot happier.
    - eternityforest 3y ago
      I've been a pretty big Snap fan ever since hearing they fixed the forced updates issue. I still wish they had an open backend, but I think traditional package management just is not a good fit for complex third party apps that need to be up to date without breaking. It's kind of an unreasonable expectation, but Snaps(And presumably Flatpak and NixOS, if they were as popular) meet it pretty well anyway. I'd prefer GNOME stick a little closer to the traditional desktop metaphor, but they've gotten a lot closer and more mouse friendly, and burn-my-windows is nice. I probably wouldn't have designed a DE like that... but it seems to be "The standard Linux DE" and it seems to be extremely reliable, although that might just be because it's the first Wayland DE I've ever used. I did always like KDE, but the older versions always seemed very slightly unpolished with something just a few pixels off from where you might think it should be, and things like that, and Ubuntus never really did seem to fully work quite right on customized DEs, without lots of work.
- m463 3y ago
  I don't like ubuntu (lots of sneaky phone home stuff, forced updates, etc) but they do provide a sort of frozen os with a stable ABI. I honestly don't know how game developers provide binaries for linux (especially with sound and graphics). It seems to be more source compatible than binary compatible. I suspect with ubuntu, they can just target ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 and it will probably work with later ubuntu versions. Can you ship a game For arch? it seems like periodically there would be a firedrill and the game would have to recompiled and an update pushed out. (or is the deal with arch that the OS adapts to the games?)

True but I hear less and less love for Ubuntu from other Linux users. Mint seems on the rise though, a lot of people hate snap and mint removing it from Ubuntu fixes that problem.

eternityforest 3y ago
This kind of worries me, Ubuntu is by far my favorite distro, and one of the only reasons I don't just go back to windows after 10+ years of Linux, largely specifically because of Snap. Although, I suppose if it went down some Flatpak based distro might take it's place eventually.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  You actually like snap? Wow I've never heard a Linux user say that :) I never was a big fan of Ubuntu myself also because I hate Gnome (really the whole philosophy is completely counter to my own) and Kubuntu never really worked for me. For example it didn't allow ZFS on root when I tried it last (20.04 I think). The snap thing was an extra detractor for me but I was already off Ubuntu at that point. In the end I ended up with FreeBSD and KDE which made me a lot happier.
  - eternityforest 3y ago
    I've been a pretty big Snap fan ever since hearing they fixed the forced updates issue. I still wish they had an open backend, but I think traditional package management just is not a good fit for complex third party apps that need to be up to date without breaking. It's kind of an unreasonable expectation, but Snaps(And presumably Flatpak and NixOS, if they were as popular) meet it pretty well anyway. I'd prefer GNOME stick a little closer to the traditional desktop metaphor, but they've gotten a lot closer and more mouse friendly, and burn-my-windows is nice. I probably wouldn't have designed a DE like that... but it seems to be "The standard Linux DE" and it seems to be extremely reliable, although that might just be because it's the first Wayland DE I've ever used. I did always like KDE, but the older versions always seemed very slightly unpolished with something just a few pixels off from where you might think it should be, and things like that, and Ubuntus never really did seem to fully work quite right on customized DEs, without lots of work.
m463 3y ago
I don't like ubuntu (lots of sneaky phone home stuff, forced updates, etc) but they do provide a sort of frozen os with a stable ABI. I honestly don't know how game developers provide binaries for linux (especially with sound and graphics). It seems to be more source compatible than binary compatible. I suspect with ubuntu, they can just target ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 and it will probably work with later ubuntu versions. Can you ship a game For arch? it seems like periodically there would be a firedrill and the game would have to recompiled and an update pushed out. (or is the deal with arch that the OS adapts to the games?)