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I think one of the big problems with public housing in the US is that we had a big push for it in the past but went about it in the wrong way and managed it poo

I think one of the big problems with public housing in the US is that we had a big push for it in the past but went about it in the wrong way and managed it poorly, and had very notoriously terrible results. Now the idea of building any at all for any reason is basically radioactive in most of the country and no politician wants to touch it.

earthwalker99 3y ago
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- piva00 3y ago
  Sweden built a million public housing homes (Miljonprogrammet) in a decade back in the 60s-70s, it has a freer market than the USA. Communism red scare was also from the 60s-70s, please change your worldview for the reality of the 2020s, not a boogeyman invented during the Cold War.
  - hellojesus 3y ago
    > Communism red scare was also from the 60s-70s, please change your worldview for the reality of the 2020s, not a boogeyman invented during the Cold War. While the post's reference to communism may have been a bit hyperbolic, it's not too much off the mark. It would have likely been better to state that America is supposed to have a free market and not implement socialist policies to fix a problem created by the government: zoning and building restrictions as other comments in the thread have mentioned. Nevertheless, communism is a valid threat to current-state America, as there seems to be a large push towards marxist ideologies that are corrupting long standing public institutions.
    - kiba 3y ago
      Authoritarianism is the threat to America. What they call themselves doesn't matter.
    - piva00 3y ago
      > Nevertheless, communism is a valid threat to current-state America, as there seems to be a large push towards marxist ideologies that are corrupting long standing public institutions. Blame that on neoliberal policies enacted since the 80s which eroded the social contract between employment and the fruits of labour. America's economical policies have steadily eroded the middle class, when the system isn't working people will look into alternatives to fix its failures, the system never fixes itself, the longer these issues fester the harsher the whiplash will be. I'm also curious: what kind of marxist ideology is taking over America's politics? I don't see anyone in the USA's political landscape advocating for land redistribution, communal ownership of the means of production, etc. There's no Marxism in the USA's power structure, at least not in any meaningful form, there might be some Reddit/TikTok vitriol but that is just that: vitriol. From what I see in the US people are shouting about wanting a fairer system, not for the proletariat to take over the means of production...
      - hellojesus 3y ago
        > I don't see anyone in the USA's political landscape advocating for land redistribution, communal ownership of the means of production, etc. I constantly see politicans declaring we need to tax the rich or need wealth taxes. And they want to use the taxes to pay for nonpublic goods: social security, housing for all, medical for all, etc. That is more socialsim than communism, but now we have interesting events at the state level: NY just effectively seized a business from a man in a civil lawsuit against an individual wherein no harm was declared to befall a party. The implication is that now all private transactions in the state will require a government-approved stamp or face the possibility of being later nullified and seized by the gov. It's the first actual step in gov seizure of production: requiring the gov to allow a private, voluntary transaction with no third party harm before the transaction is solidified. That's akin to gov controlled production to me.
    - earthwalker99 3y ago
      >communism is a valid threat to current-state America, as there seems to be a large push towards marxist ideologies I would give my life for this to be true, but clearly the only truth here is that you don't have the first clue what you are talking about.
      - hellojesus 3y ago
        Why do you find communism and comolete loss of autonomy preferable to our current system?
  - throwawa14223 3y ago
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earthwalker99 3y ago

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piva00 3y ago
Sweden built a million public housing homes (Miljonprogrammet) in a decade back in the 60s-70s, it has a freer market than the USA. Communism red scare was also from the 60s-70s, please change your worldview for the reality of the 2020s, not a boogeyman invented during the Cold War.
- hellojesus 3y ago
  > Communism red scare was also from the 60s-70s, please change your worldview for the reality of the 2020s, not a boogeyman invented during the Cold War. While the post's reference to communism may have been a bit hyperbolic, it's not too much off the mark. It would have likely been better to state that America is supposed to have a free market and not implement socialist policies to fix a problem created by the government: zoning and building restrictions as other comments in the thread have mentioned. Nevertheless, communism is a valid threat to current-state America, as there seems to be a large push towards marxist ideologies that are corrupting long standing public institutions.
  - kiba 3y ago
    Authoritarianism is the threat to America. What they call themselves doesn't matter.
  - piva00 3y ago
    > Nevertheless, communism is a valid threat to current-state America, as there seems to be a large push towards marxist ideologies that are corrupting long standing public institutions. Blame that on neoliberal policies enacted since the 80s which eroded the social contract between employment and the fruits of labour. America's economical policies have steadily eroded the middle class, when the system isn't working people will look into alternatives to fix its failures, the system never fixes itself, the longer these issues fester the harsher the whiplash will be. I'm also curious: what kind of marxist ideology is taking over America's politics? I don't see anyone in the USA's political landscape advocating for land redistribution, communal ownership of the means of production, etc. There's no Marxism in the USA's power structure, at least not in any meaningful form, there might be some Reddit/TikTok vitriol but that is just that: vitriol. From what I see in the US people are shouting about wanting a fairer system, not for the proletariat to take over the means of production...
    - hellojesus 3y ago
      > I don't see anyone in the USA's political landscape advocating for land redistribution, communal ownership of the means of production, etc. I constantly see politicans declaring we need to tax the rich or need wealth taxes. And they want to use the taxes to pay for nonpublic goods: social security, housing for all, medical for all, etc. That is more socialsim than communism, but now we have interesting events at the state level: NY just effectively seized a business from a man in a civil lawsuit against an individual wherein no harm was declared to befall a party. The implication is that now all private transactions in the state will require a government-approved stamp or face the possibility of being later nullified and seized by the gov. It's the first actual step in gov seizure of production: requiring the gov to allow a private, voluntary transaction with no third party harm before the transaction is solidified. That's akin to gov controlled production to me.
  - earthwalker99 3y ago
    >communism is a valid threat to current-state America, as there seems to be a large push towards marxist ideologies I would give my life for this to be true, but clearly the only truth here is that you don't have the first clue what you are talking about.
    - hellojesus 3y ago
      Why do you find communism and comolete loss of autonomy preferable to our current system?
- throwawa14223 3y ago
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