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Please do. We desperately need to show the people that big companies do not stand above the law.

by Kelteseth 3y ago

_8j50 3y ago
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- hardware2win 3y ago
  >It's truly a shame how so many on HN are anti-innovation, Inno what? It is 2024, not 2006, what innovations are you talking about?
  - _8j50 3y ago
    Every product decision is innovation. Being able to configure hardware the way you want without having to comply with government b.s. or design new communication protocols or software systems without the gov dictating how you do that is pro-innovation right? Are you saying people don't make new hardware or software?
    - hardware2win 3y ago
      >Being able to configure hardware the way you want Who is "you" here? Company or People? Because EU stands behind ppl here
      - _8j50 3y ago
        Both, people who work with the resources of companies. Individuals can't design and manufacture smartphones. I am not a "companies are people too" person, I am actually heavily pro-regulation but like anything else fairness and justice trumps all. If android and other vendors can't compete because of apple or apple and other vendors collude against people I see your sentiment but I am very much for fairness even for the rich and powerful as well as companies not just people.
- piva00 3y ago
  > It's truly a shame how so many on HN are anti-innovation, especially when there isn't even a hint of anti-competitiveness by apple. I mean Apple does not even have a majority market monopoly in Europe. It's also truly a shame to read that enforcement of rules is put under the umbrella of "anti-innovation". As if innovation should be pursued by whatever means necessary, in a weird neo-Machiavellian way of "the ends justify the means". There are rules, a case was brought to be judged based on these rules and the company infringed on them. We shouldn't let innovation trump every other aspect of society, I surely do not want to live in a place where companies can do whatever they want in name of "innovation". Look at how the US turned out, basically being ruled by corporations who defy whatever rule is placed upon them to tame the beast. Rent-seeking on the App Store is not an innovation, it's feudalism, Apple owns the only place possible to submit an application for all non-jailbroken iOS users, with the control of digital land it enforces a 30% rent on subscriptions sold through these apps, what is the innovation here? At the same time they can offer Apple Music without charging themselves a 30% that goes to a competitor. I'm tired of this thought-terminating cliche about innovation, companies shouldn't accrue more power than what they already have, which they gained a lot more since the 80s, and that is already unhealthy to societies.
- notTooFarGone 3y ago
  Their payment scheme burst with innovation - they should get even more creative in milking every last drop of cash.
- kobalsky 3y ago
  > especially when there isn't even a hint of anti-competitiveness by apple from the article: "Apple also prevented Spotify and other companies from informing customers on their phones that they could avoid the commission – and get a better deal – simply by signing up on Spotify’s website." what the justification? that it harms user experience? because "our platform our rules" doesn't trump "our country our rules".
  - _8j50 3y ago
    Private companies can censor information on their platform right? If there is a law complelling speech I agree with you but short of that, you don't expect burgerking to advertise mcdonalds has a better deal in their food right? Or to allow competitors to promote on their real estate?
- fsflover 3y ago
  >It's truly a shame how so many on HN are anti-innovation, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39418713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39418713
  - _8j50 3y ago
    EU doesn't have a silicon valley for these exact reasons. When EU is churning out disruptive tech and paying people in tech what they deserve the tell me how their nonsensical laws and attitudes does not inhibit innovation. The problem now is they are using their position to force their views on multinationals that serve the whole planet. I wonder why europeans are not able to vote with their wallet? Or perhaps it's sneaky politicians distracting you with this stuff so you don't get them to fix the real issues.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  > Name one company that claimed to be above the law? None, they don't claim it, they just act like it.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  Removing PWA and forcing rest of the users to use gimped Safari is now pro innovation?
  - _8j50 3y ago
    Why not? It's one company's vision. I happen to hate PWAs, why are you forcing my usage of PWAs and USB-c? You have alternatives but I can't have mine? So much for liberty.
    - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
      So where I can download Chrome for iOS with full PWA support?
      - _8j50 3y ago
        On your android phone since you don't agree with apple's vision for its product.
        TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
        Chrome for iOS with full PWA support runs on Android? Since when?
        _8j50 3y ago
        Chrome for android runs on android. Chrome for ios is the same product as for android.

Please do. We desperately need to show the people that big companies do not stand above the law.

_8j50 3y ago

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hardware2win 3y ago
>It's truly a shame how so many on HN are anti-innovation, Inno what? It is 2024, not 2006, what innovations are you talking about?
- _8j50 3y ago
  Every product decision is innovation. Being able to configure hardware the way you want without having to comply with government b.s. or design new communication protocols or software systems without the gov dictating how you do that is pro-innovation right? Are you saying people don't make new hardware or software?
  - hardware2win 3y ago
    >Being able to configure hardware the way you want Who is "you" here? Company or People? Because EU stands behind ppl here
    - _8j50 3y ago
      Both, people who work with the resources of companies. Individuals can't design and manufacture smartphones. I am not a "companies are people too" person, I am actually heavily pro-regulation but like anything else fairness and justice trumps all. If android and other vendors can't compete because of apple or apple and other vendors collude against people I see your sentiment but I am very much for fairness even for the rich and powerful as well as companies not just people.
piva00 3y ago
> It's truly a shame how so many on HN are anti-innovation, especially when there isn't even a hint of anti-competitiveness by apple. I mean Apple does not even have a majority market monopoly in Europe. It's also truly a shame to read that enforcement of rules is put under the umbrella of "anti-innovation". As if innovation should be pursued by whatever means necessary, in a weird neo-Machiavellian way of "the ends justify the means". There are rules, a case was brought to be judged based on these rules and the company infringed on them. We shouldn't let innovation trump every other aspect of society, I surely do not want to live in a place where companies can do whatever they want in name of "innovation". Look at how the US turned out, basically being ruled by corporations who defy whatever rule is placed upon them to tame the beast. Rent-seeking on the App Store is not an innovation, it's feudalism, Apple owns the only place possible to submit an application for all non-jailbroken iOS users, with the control of digital land it enforces a 30% rent on subscriptions sold through these apps, what is the innovation here? At the same time they can offer Apple Music without charging themselves a 30% that goes to a competitor. I'm tired of this thought-terminating cliche about innovation, companies shouldn't accrue more power than what they already have, which they gained a lot more since the 80s, and that is already unhealthy to societies.
notTooFarGone 3y ago
Their payment scheme burst with innovation - they should get even more creative in milking every last drop of cash.
kobalsky 3y ago
> especially when there isn't even a hint of anti-competitiveness by apple from the article: "Apple also prevented Spotify and other companies from informing customers on their phones that they could avoid the commission – and get a better deal – simply by signing up on Spotify’s website." what the justification? that it harms user experience? because "our platform our rules" doesn't trump "our country our rules".
- _8j50 3y ago
  Private companies can censor information on their platform right? If there is a law complelling speech I agree with you but short of that, you don't expect burgerking to advertise mcdonalds has a better deal in their food right? Or to allow competitors to promote on their real estate?
fsflover 3y ago
>It's truly a shame how so many on HN are anti-innovation, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39418713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39418713
- _8j50 3y ago
  EU doesn't have a silicon valley for these exact reasons. When EU is churning out disruptive tech and paying people in tech what they deserve the tell me how their nonsensical laws and attitudes does not inhibit innovation. The problem now is they are using their position to force their views on multinationals that serve the whole planet. I wonder why europeans are not able to vote with their wallet? Or perhaps it's sneaky politicians distracting you with this stuff so you don't get them to fix the real issues.
wkat4242 3y ago
> Name one company that claimed to be above the law? None, they don't claim it, they just act like it.
TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
Removing PWA and forcing rest of the users to use gimped Safari is now pro innovation?
- _8j50 3y ago
  Why not? It's one company's vision. I happen to hate PWAs, why are you forcing my usage of PWAs and USB-c? You have alternatives but I can't have mine? So much for liberty.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    So where I can download Chrome for iOS with full PWA support?
    - _8j50 3y ago
      On your android phone since you don't agree with apple's vision for its product.
      - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
        Chrome for iOS with full PWA support runs on Android? Since when?
        _8j50 3y ago
        Chrome for android runs on android. Chrome for ios is the same product as for android.