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I thought it became pretty clear last year already that the evidence trail pointed to Ukraine. See e.g https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-str

I thought it became pretty clear last year already that the evidence trail pointed to Ukraine. See e.g https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-p... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/ukraine-officer-had-key-role-in-nord-stream-sabotage-reports-say https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/ukraine-officer-ha... Apart from the evidence, the motive for Ukraine seems to be pretty obvious as well.

pintxo 3y ago
If you want to believe in divers blowing a pipeline in some 60m of water using a tiny 6-8 person sailing yacht as their home base… Not a very convincing story to me.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  So a team of 6-8 travels over Europe, rent a yacht and goes to the middle of Baltic Sea for... sightseeing? Not a very convincing story to me.
  - pintxo 3y ago
    But an apparently convincing distraction.
aredox 3y ago
Those reports based on anonymous sources fail to explain the logistics of lowering several hundred kilograms of explosives in deep water with no visibility. Meanwhile, the SS-750 salvage ship, designed for specialized underwater operations with a mini-submarine, was operating in the area four days before the blast.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > lowering several hundred kilograms of explosives in deep water with no visibility You mean the 17th century technology pioneered with diving bells? Like using some rope or a cable? Edit: pioneered with. You just need a diver who would drive the pilot cable to the exact place, then you just rope the load to that cable. But sure, ignore the common sense in the presence of angst.
  - Cthulhu_ 3y ago
    You'd need a bigger ship with a crane to do that, not a small yacht
    - mgoetzke 3y ago
      Wasnt the yacht chartered by a person with Russian ties anyway
  - aredox 3y ago
    Yes, a diving bell, very inconspicuous, not something that will attract attention at all.

pintxo 3y ago

If you want to believe in divers blowing a pipeline in some 60m of water using a tiny 6-8 person sailing yacht as their home base… Not a very convincing story to me.

justsomehnguy 3y ago
So a team of 6-8 travels over Europe, rent a yacht and goes to the middle of Baltic Sea for... sightseeing? Not a very convincing story to me.
- pintxo 3y ago
  But an apparently convincing distraction.

aredox 3y ago

Those reports based on anonymous sources fail to explain the logistics of lowering several hundred kilograms of explosives in deep water with no visibility. Meanwhile, the SS-750 salvage ship, designed for specialized underwater operations with a mini-submarine, was operating in the area four days before the blast.

justsomehnguy 3y ago
> lowering several hundred kilograms of explosives in deep water with no visibility You mean the 17th century technology pioneered with diving bells? Like using some rope or a cable? Edit: pioneered with. You just need a diver who would drive the pilot cable to the exact place, then you just rope the load to that cable. But sure, ignore the common sense in the presence of angst.
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  You'd need a bigger ship with a crane to do that, not a small yacht
  - mgoetzke 3y ago
    Wasnt the yacht chartered by a person with Russian ties anyway
- aredox 3y ago
  Yes, a diving bell, very inconspicuous, not something that will attract attention at all.