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This isn't about "reading/speaking wrong or dangerous ideas". You can stand infront of one of the EU parl today and read whatever manifesto of ideas you think t

This isn't about "reading/speaking wrong or dangerous ideas". You can stand infront of one of the EU parl today and read whatever manifesto of ideas you think true, in fact some people do, hell you can even do that inside the parliament, in fact some people do. What you cannot be is a foreign state at war with an ally and freely distribute state propaganda aimed at furthering your war goals. This isn't a hard line to draw.

eastbound 3y ago
> You can stand infront of one of the EU parl today and read whatever manifesto And you can do that because it has literally no impact. This vision of free speech was a moment of genius from our institutions. However, you can’t talk about the crimes of occupants in France in, say, a newspaper, or any broadcast channel, or anything that has an audience. Governments have literally made it a speechcrime to discover the authors who are killing our children at 23x the pace of the others.
- sofixa 3y ago
  > However, you can’t talk about the crimes of occupants in France in, say, a newspaper, or any broadcast channel, or anything that has an audience If I'm reading your racist dogwhistles correctly, "occupants of France" would be muslims or brown/black people? Don't you worry, plenty of shit-tier "news" in France make it their life goal to cover every single crime committed by someone who cannot trace their lineage to 15th century France. (cf. Valeurs Actuelles) Hell, there are multiple political parties founded around those ideas, that don't forget to chime in any time anything happens. > Governments have literally made it a speechcrime to discover the authors who are killing our children at 23x the pace of the others. Who are those killing our children at 23x the pace, and what is the speech crime? Sources, please.
  - eastbound 3y ago
    You’re asking for sources, of course, because your horrible side has also made sure to forbid building them. So I dare you make the study on how much crimes the occupying forces are doing in France.
perihelions 3y ago
- "What you cannot be is a foreign state..." But you missed the point: the illiberalism isn't the restriction on the foreign government's actions, but the restriction placed on your own citizens—the restriction that they are not allowed to read certain things: that certain books, prints, newspapers, are illegal for their eyes. That's anathema to open society. This isn't about "foreign governments' rights"; it's about peoples' rights. "To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker."
- bootsmann 3y ago
  I can look at Russian propaganda today and I will not be tried or sent to jail. I can spread Russian propaganda today and I will not be tried or sent to jail. Again, the ban of RT isn't because they spread certain ideas that were considered wrong by the EU censors. The ban is because they are owned by an adversary state that currently invading an ally on the EU border. > That's anathema to open society. You should maybe read up what the inventor of the very term of the open society had to say about the limits of openness in an open society.

eastbound 3y ago

> You can stand infront of one of the EU parl today and read whatever manifesto And you can do that because it has literally no impact. This vision of free speech was a moment of genius from our institutions. However, you can’t talk about the crimes of occupants in France in, say, a newspaper, or any broadcast channel, or anything that has an audience. Governments have literally made it a speechcrime to discover the authors who are killing our children at 23x the pace of the others.

sofixa 3y ago
> However, you can’t talk about the crimes of occupants in France in, say, a newspaper, or any broadcast channel, or anything that has an audience If I'm reading your racist dogwhistles correctly, "occupants of France" would be muslims or brown/black people? Don't you worry, plenty of shit-tier "news" in France make it their life goal to cover every single crime committed by someone who cannot trace their lineage to 15th century France. (cf. Valeurs Actuelles) Hell, there are multiple political parties founded around those ideas, that don't forget to chime in any time anything happens. > Governments have literally made it a speechcrime to discover the authors who are killing our children at 23x the pace of the others. Who are those killing our children at 23x the pace, and what is the speech crime? Sources, please.
- eastbound 3y ago
  You’re asking for sources, of course, because your horrible side has also made sure to forbid building them. So I dare you make the study on how much crimes the occupying forces are doing in France.

perihelions 3y ago

- "What you cannot be is a foreign state..." But you missed the point: the illiberalism isn't the restriction on the foreign government's actions, but the restriction placed on your own citizens—the restriction that they are not allowed to read certain things: that certain books, prints, newspapers, are illegal for their eyes. That's anathema to open society. This isn't about "foreign governments' rights"; it's about peoples' rights. "To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker."

bootsmann 3y ago
I can look at Russian propaganda today and I will not be tried or sent to jail. I can spread Russian propaganda today and I will not be tried or sent to jail. Again, the ban of RT isn't because they spread certain ideas that were considered wrong by the EU censors. The ban is because they are owned by an adversary state that currently invading an ally on the EU border. > That's anathema to open society. You should maybe read up what the inventor of the very term of the open society had to say about the limits of openness in an open society.