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Year 2024, Humanity's in its golden age. Real problems? Extinct. War, crimes, poverty, hunger, even diseases: all banished into history textbooks. The only tear

by kamma 3y ago

Year 2024, Humanity's in its golden age. Real problems? Extinct. War, crimes, poverty, hunger, even diseases: all banished into history textbooks. The only tear in this utopian tapestry? A handful of folks getting their knickers in a twist over the replication of certain patterns of zeroes and ones.

rvnx 3y ago
In which country are you living ?
- coldtea 3y ago
  Yeah, had to LOL at "War, crimes, poverty, hunger, even diseases: all banished into history textbooks". That's with several major wars going on, including talks of nuclear escalation, worsening crime stats (in the US, but also elsewhere in the west), poverty on the rise (and thus hunger), and after the COVID pandemic toll (regarding diseases)...
  - pprotas 3y ago
    It’s sarcasm
  - vjjsejj 3y ago
    It really can’t be this hard to understand such basic sarcasm? Or I’m actually the one doing that here (and your comment is sarcastic as well)?
    - Arnt 3y ago
      In this case, the sarcasm is intended to confuse, and with some readers it achieves a little more confusion than intended. kamma could have written something like "the EU should solve <really difficult problems> before concerning itself with <simpler problenm>" but that would have made clear that the really difficult problems are really difficult. The sarcasm is rhetorical device to distract the readers so they won't pay attention to the different levels of difficulty. Handwaving, basically, and the handwaving was a little too strong and distracted some readers too much.
      - throwaway11460 3y ago
        Do you really think so? We know the problems are difficult and won't be fixed as quickly as censored DNS could be deployed. That's why we want attention on the hard problems instead of million small insignificant non-problems.
        Arnt 3y ago
        Bit of a bummer for those of use whose daily work attaining world peace, ending hunger or one of those other big problems. That includes me. You?
        throwaway11460 3y ago
        Not my daily work, but try to help where I can
    - coldtea 3y ago
      Ever heard of Poe's law? If you've been long enough on internet forums, you'll see every inanity you can think of as "of course it's sarcasm" being presented sincerely. Also, I've read too many posts/comments of the "the world has never been better" variety (usually citing Hans Rosling or some tech-bro favorite like Pinker), that sincerely push similar ideas of the state of the world in 2024.
      - rvnx 3y ago
        According to HN, San Francisco is a dreamland, and according to Reddit, it's full of crackheads and inequality. It's really possible to not be exposed to war, crime, poverty, hunger if you are living in a closed tech-bubble (which is more likely on Hackernews). I think about Googlers in Zurich for example, or a VP @ Apple, they can really be disconnected from the other parts of the world.
- stavros 3y ago
  It's sarcasm.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
omnicognate 3y ago
Are you claiming that war, crimes, poverty, hunger and disease have been eliminated? Apparently not, from other comments. But then I don't really know what point is being made here.
sofixa 3y ago
To be fair, it's vastly more easy to impact such as the DNS servers used or user tracking where you have jurisdiction, than to impact "war, crimes, poverty, hunger, diseases". You can't "fix" war or famine or disease in a faraway country, really. You can try to impact with stuff like aid, or sanctions, or cooperation, but the actual impact on the ground can vary wildly.
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  That's exactly the problem people have with the EU. They care (and cost a lot of money) about small things while completely ignoring actual issues. Nobody really wants some digital IDs or censored DNS. Fix the damn war happening right on the border and the resulting energy crisis (I don't mean by buying Russian product). Also, stop making the energy crisis even worse.
  - sofixa 3y ago
    > Nobody really wants some digital IDs I want a digital ID, it would save me a lot of time and would be extremely practical (and it's already technically possible anyway, it would be a waste not to have it). > Fix the damn war happening right on the border and the resulting energy crisis (I don't mean by buying Russian product) Oh, just "fix" them, right? Click on the Fix button in the "Diagnose issues" wizard? Why didn't you say that earlier, if only EU leaders knew it was that easy! The EU is doing a lot to help Ukraine, with funds for the military and humanitarian sides, and donations of lots of equipment. European armies cannot get involved without risking escalation to nuclear war, which nobody wants, so I can hardly see what more you can ask them to do. A for the energy crisis, guess what, the EU as a whole, and each individual country, has plans already in place and in progress to "fix" it. It just takes decades to deploy enough "green" electricity generation, replace infrastructure, update insulation at people's homes, replace their heating method, etc.
    - throwaway11460 3y ago
      Save time, how? I still have to go renew my ID every ten years even with the digital one. It doesn't save me any time at all. Perhaps your local law had some problems that made online interaction hard, but I personally didn't carry or show my physical ID in the past decade once. Fix your local law instead of having the EU do it for you, we need their attention on difficult international issues. No buttons. Hard, difficult and long work towards fixing. Instead of separating attention across things that are nice-to-have but don't really change that much. It's exactly because the EU people know it's not easy they instead work on something else. That needs to stop. My small country did more to help Ukraine than the largest economies in the bloc. There is much more that could be done. Censoring DNS to be more like Russia is not that.

by kamma 3y ago

rvnx 3y ago

In which country are you living ?

coldtea 3y ago
Yeah, had to LOL at "War, crimes, poverty, hunger, even diseases: all banished into history textbooks". That's with several major wars going on, including talks of nuclear escalation, worsening crime stats (in the US, but also elsewhere in the west), poverty on the rise (and thus hunger), and after the COVID pandemic toll (regarding diseases)...
- pprotas 3y ago
  It’s sarcasm
- vjjsejj 3y ago
  It really can’t be this hard to understand such basic sarcasm? Or I’m actually the one doing that here (and your comment is sarcastic as well)?
  - Arnt 3y ago
    In this case, the sarcasm is intended to confuse, and with some readers it achieves a little more confusion than intended. kamma could have written something like "the EU should solve <really difficult problems> before concerning itself with <simpler problenm>" but that would have made clear that the really difficult problems are really difficult. The sarcasm is rhetorical device to distract the readers so they won't pay attention to the different levels of difficulty. Handwaving, basically, and the handwaving was a little too strong and distracted some readers too much.
    - throwaway11460 3y ago
      Do you really think so? We know the problems are difficult and won't be fixed as quickly as censored DNS could be deployed. That's why we want attention on the hard problems instead of million small insignificant non-problems.
      - Arnt 3y ago
        Bit of a bummer for those of use whose daily work attaining world peace, ending hunger or one of those other big problems. That includes me. You?
        throwaway11460 3y ago
        Not my daily work, but try to help where I can
  - coldtea 3y ago
    Ever heard of Poe's law? If you've been long enough on internet forums, you'll see every inanity you can think of as "of course it's sarcasm" being presented sincerely. Also, I've read too many posts/comments of the "the world has never been better" variety (usually citing Hans Rosling or some tech-bro favorite like Pinker), that sincerely push similar ideas of the state of the world in 2024.
    - rvnx 3y ago
      According to HN, San Francisco is a dreamland, and according to Reddit, it's full of crackheads and inequality. It's really possible to not be exposed to war, crime, poverty, hunger if you are living in a closed tech-bubble (which is more likely on Hackernews). I think about Googlers in Zurich for example, or a VP @ Apple, they can really be disconnected from the other parts of the world.
stavros 3y ago
It's sarcasm.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

omnicognate 3y ago

Are you claiming that war, crimes, poverty, hunger and disease have been eliminated? Apparently not, from other comments. But then I don't really know what point is being made here.

sofixa 3y ago

To be fair, it's vastly more easy to impact such as the DNS servers used or user tracking where you have jurisdiction, than to impact "war, crimes, poverty, hunger, diseases". You can't "fix" war or famine or disease in a faraway country, really. You can try to impact with stuff like aid, or sanctions, or cooperation, but the actual impact on the ground can vary wildly.

throwaway11460 3y ago
That's exactly the problem people have with the EU. They care (and cost a lot of money) about small things while completely ignoring actual issues. Nobody really wants some digital IDs or censored DNS. Fix the damn war happening right on the border and the resulting energy crisis (I don't mean by buying Russian product). Also, stop making the energy crisis even worse.
- sofixa 3y ago
  > Nobody really wants some digital IDs I want a digital ID, it would save me a lot of time and would be extremely practical (and it's already technically possible anyway, it would be a waste not to have it). > Fix the damn war happening right on the border and the resulting energy crisis (I don't mean by buying Russian product) Oh, just "fix" them, right? Click on the Fix button in the "Diagnose issues" wizard? Why didn't you say that earlier, if only EU leaders knew it was that easy! The EU is doing a lot to help Ukraine, with funds for the military and humanitarian sides, and donations of lots of equipment. European armies cannot get involved without risking escalation to nuclear war, which nobody wants, so I can hardly see what more you can ask them to do. A for the energy crisis, guess what, the EU as a whole, and each individual country, has plans already in place and in progress to "fix" it. It just takes decades to deploy enough "green" electricity generation, replace infrastructure, update insulation at people's homes, replace their heating method, etc.
  - throwaway11460 3y ago
    Save time, how? I still have to go renew my ID every ten years even with the digital one. It doesn't save me any time at all. Perhaps your local law had some problems that made online interaction hard, but I personally didn't carry or show my physical ID in the past decade once. Fix your local law instead of having the EU do it for you, we need their attention on difficult international issues. No buttons. Hard, difficult and long work towards fixing. Instead of separating attention across things that are nice-to-have but don't really change that much. It's exactly because the EU people know it's not easy they instead work on something else. That needs to stop. My small country did more to help Ukraine than the largest economies in the bloc. There is much more that could be done. Censoring DNS to be more like Russia is not that.