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Note that the EU forces providers to censor DNS already. % nslookup www.rt.com - dns01.mnet-online.de Server: dns01.mnet-online.de Address: 20
by nwellnhof 3y ago
Note that the EU forces providers to censor DNS already.
% nslookup www.rt.com - dns01.mnet-online.de
Server: dns01.mnet-online.de
Address: 2001:a60::53:1#53
*** Can't find www.rt.com: No answer
- bootsmann 3y agoI don't think disrupting a foreign states propaganda operation falls under censorship.
- 4bpp 3y agoWhat do you think does fall under censorship?
- hosteur 3y agoWhat? This is exactly what censorship is. Censorship is censorship even if it aligns with your opinion.
- bootsmann 3y agoBlocking RT has little to do with the opinions spread by it (though highly correlated for a variety of reasons), other people in Europe are allowed to say and spread the same ideas without any repercussions. It is about fighting the intelligence operations by a country that is quite literally invading a bordering allied state. RT isn't being blocked because it spread ideas that are contained in some EU law to be illegal and dangerous opinions, they are being blocked because they are owned by the Russian state.
- m000 3y agoMeanwhile, we've been hugging with some other illegal occupiers for decades. They're even allowed to openly run lobbying groups.
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- 0x000042 3y agoCensorship: /'sɛnsər,ʃɪp/ noun counterintelligence achieved by banning or deleting any information of value to the enemy
- bootsmann 3y agoIf we're going to argue about the semantics here then so be it. Even within your definition this is not censorship. I can copy/paste an article from the RT frontpage onto a personal blog of mine and neither me nor my blog will face any legal repercussions. It's not the information that is being banned, it's the state actor spreading it.
- hosteur 3y agoYou cannot access the rt front page without circumventing the censorship. You may be tech savvy and able to circumvent it. But most people are not. Which is key. It is literally censored.
- perihelions 3y agoHard disagree. I think it's the most essential freedom of speech there is: to be allowed to read and speak wrong, dangerous ideas.
- RandomLensman 3y agoDid the USSR have TV channels in the West during the cold war?
- blitzar 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union#Jamming_of_foreign_radio_stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union... That was censorship too ...
- RandomLensman 3y agoOf course. Or in the US during WWII, etc. Censorship is part of conflicts and confrontations. Maybe better to say there are two different forms of censorship: 1) the government doesn't like something, 2) society reduces it attack surface The two can coincide or not.
- m000 3y agoThat's a really low bar we're setting for our "liberal" "democracies".
- RandomLensman 3y agoIts height notwithstanding, it's a bar that worked before for liberal democracies.
- m000 3y agoComing up next: "The police may beat us up bad because we marched at a protest, but at least we're not thrown to the dogs as Kim's uncle."
- blitzar 3y agoI would rather not be a hypocrite - we call it "censorship" when other countries block us from broadcasting our propaganda into their countries. It's not different this time or when we do it or any of the usual contortions attempted to maintain a barely passable facade of intellectual honesty.
- bootsmann 3y agoCan you actually point to any examples of those "western state-funded propaganda operations" that are being blocked? You claim there is an equivalence, so why don't you put up some examples of these purportedly equivalent things.
- boomboomsubban 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America#Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America#Russia
- bootsmann 3y agoFair example
- blitzar 3y agoChina bans BBC World News from broadcasting - 12 February 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-56030340 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-56030340 British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab called the move an "unacceptable curtailing of media freedom".
- akie 3y agoUnpopular opinion perhaps, but blocking rt.com is something more countries should do.
- sys_64738 3y agoI took a quick look at it reads more like the Inquirer than a sane news site. Might be reason to agree.
- nkrisc 3y agoI don’t think that living in a liberal society means you must allow every hostile foreign actor free reign in your society.
- seydor 3y agowell that's actually the definition of a liberal society , and the opposite of "free reign" is not "completely blocking"
- Gud 3y agoThis is not about “allowing”, but actively blocking. The European Union bureaucrats can keep their filters off my packets.
- simondotau 3y ago> This is not about “allowing”, but actively blocking. What's the difference other than semantics? When a government decides to "not allow" something, it's often achieved through active enforcement, or threats of active enforcement. Remember, the EU is the ones that enacted the single most consequentially moronic internet-related law, the so-called "ePrivacy Directive", which has infected countless websites with stupid cookie nags. Governments tend to be pretty stupid when it comes to technology policy; my advice is to shut up, quietly work around it, and be thankful that they aren't any smarter.
- Gud 3y agoThe difference is that in one case, we are subjugates ruled over by the European Union bureaucracy, and in the other case, we are free citizens.
- geraldwhen 3y agoThe founding of America was built on seditionist terrorists broadcasting their very violent and hostile speech. Speech is speech. Only speech deemed non-normative needs defending. Words can’t hurt you.
- betaby 3y agoCurious why? I've never heard court ordered blocking of it. I remember EU wide sanction mentioning RT in the context of finances and (re-) broadcast, while web traffic was never mentioned.
- avion23 3y agort.com - isn't that blatant censorship? Of course the site is biased, but probably less than BBC.
- herman82 3y agoIt's not blocked in Sweden at least, so I doubt this is a EU thing
- LargoLasskhyfv 3y agoThat's why you should use https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls or something similar. There are many alternatives.