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>but you do you really want your teenagers to be obedient and compliant? Yes... what a ridiculous rhetorical question, with all due respect. There is a thread

>but you do you really want your teenagers to be obedient and compliant? Yes... what a ridiculous rhetorical question, with all due respect. There is a thread of democratic myth that has been abused into dust that holds that there is high virtue in being disobedient and non-compliant. But the heart of that myth is always centered in somehwat rare (in the context of today) totalitarianism or "dark age" mythological social ignorance. When in reality the key to both learning and life success, translating to happiness, is obedience and compliance with things that are mostly good and mostly true. Whereas predators, of all kinds, often rely on peddling untruths to the reflexively disobedient. There are exceptions, but the lesson is that they are far from the rule.

rramadass 3y ago
Well said! I am not sure when being "Rebellious/Undisciplined/Bad-behaviour" became equated with "Independent-minded" and thus ipso facto "better than" being "Obedient/Disciplined". By definition, youngsters have a lot to learn which can only happen in a obedient and disciplined environment.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  > By definition, youngsters have a lot to learn which can only happen in a obedient and disciplined environment. By what definition?
  - rramadass 3y ago
    > youngsters Age and therefore lack of Knowledge/Experience.
wolverine876 3y ago
It's hard to understand why authority or oppression is somehow virtuous or trustworthy today. First, they are human institutions and will be corrupt to varying degrees (though that degree matters greatly); teenagers should learn and all adults should know that the feet of these monuments are clay, and that we can build better - especially the next generation, with a fresh perspective, less vested interest, and more energy. Second, what almost defines today, this moment in history, is the rise of authoritarian oppression and the embrace of it (which I believe includes the comment above, though not necessarily the commenter), and the culture of abuse of authority and brazen embrace of it - in political leaders, business leaders, etc. These things, far from being obsolete concerns, are now a cult - rather than freedom and hope for all, people embrace hate, cruelty, corruption, and dictators. Look at our world, look what we are building, look at the catastrophe the institutions have produced and the brazen disregard shown by a generation of adults. Finally, our world was built by people who disrepected authority; authority is those who did so and succeeded. That's where almost every democracy and all our freedoms came from. > ridiculous ... dust Rather than disrespecting authority, your comment disrespects your peers and try to abuse them, through contempt and ridicule, into complying with the authority. The comment sounds to me like the person who, threatened with the power of a bully, goes along with them, tries to fit into their power structure, and ingratiates themselves by attacking peers who don't conform.

rramadass 3y ago

Well said! I am not sure when being "Rebellious/Undisciplined/Bad-behaviour" became equated with "Independent-minded" and thus ipso facto "better than" being "Obedient/Disciplined". By definition, youngsters have a lot to learn which can only happen in a obedient and disciplined environment.

wolverine876 3y ago
> By definition, youngsters have a lot to learn which can only happen in a obedient and disciplined environment. By what definition?
- rramadass 3y ago
  > youngsters Age and therefore lack of Knowledge/Experience.

wolverine876 3y ago

It's hard to understand why authority or oppression is somehow virtuous or trustworthy today. First, they are human institutions and will be corrupt to varying degrees (though that degree matters greatly); teenagers should learn and all adults should know that the feet of these monuments are clay, and that we can build better - especially the next generation, with a fresh perspective, less vested interest, and more energy. Second, what almost defines today, this moment in history, is the rise of authoritarian oppression and the embrace of it (which I believe includes the comment above, though not necessarily the commenter), and the culture of abuse of authority and brazen embrace of it - in political leaders, business leaders, etc. These things, far from being obsolete concerns, are now a cult - rather than freedom and hope for all, people embrace hate, cruelty, corruption, and dictators. Look at our world, look what we are building, look at the catastrophe the institutions have produced and the brazen disregard shown by a generation of adults. Finally, our world was built by people who disrepected authority; authority is those who did so and succeeded. That's where almost every democracy and all our freedoms came from. > ridiculous ... dust Rather than disrespecting authority, your comment disrespects your peers and try to abuse them, through contempt and ridicule, into complying with the authority. The comment sounds to me like the person who, threatened with the power of a bully, goes along with them, tries to fit into their power structure, and ingratiates themselves by attacking peers who don't conform.