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This simply doesn't apply. If you die, then the fetus dies regardless. It's not wrongful death to have immediate lifesaving medical care, and it's extremely dif

This simply doesn't apply. If you die, then the fetus dies regardless. It's not wrongful death to have immediate lifesaving medical care, and it's extremely difficult to find a pro-life person that would argue otherwise.

zamadatix 3y ago
This doesn't apply because Alabama's law banning abortion explicitly excludes said circumstances but it's perfectly feasible (and does occur) for a fetus to be at a stage where it has some non-zero chance of surviving without the mother which opens the debate around whether to allow maximizing safety of the mother or maximizing safety of the fetus. Finding people who would argue the latter is not particularly difficult, more than 1 in 5 of those who support any kind of limitation in abortion (or 13% of the total population) support making abortion illegal in all circumstances: https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion... While it's okay to highlight to others such a view is not the majority opinion of those wishing to limit abortion it's important not to sweep double digit percentages of viewpoints under the rug and proclaim what you feel a certain group ought to think like in its place.
- COGlory 3y ago
  That poll needs to be explicit about the definition of abortion to be a useful disambiguation. Most people probably don't even consider treating an ectopic pregnancy an abortion, just like how most people don't consider killing someone in self defense to be murder, juts as an example. I'd imagine that healthy viable fetus is likely implicit in a lot of people's personal definition, even those personally against it.
  - zamadatix 3y ago
    If people didn't commonly consider situations which threaten the mother's life actual abortion the Alabama abortion law wouldn't list it as an allowed case for abortion it'd list it as not abortion. What one imagines people probably think is neither here nor there. Regardless, here is another poll https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/pf_05-06-22_abortion-views_0_2/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abo..., this time by Pew, which supports that a similar 10% of the total population respond that there should be absolutely no exceptions to abortion when the pregnancy threatens the woman's life or health. A question much harder to mistake what abortion means in the context. A further 10% of the total population hold that it depends on the specific situation, meaning those aren't included in the other 10% and may also contribute to additional percentage per case in question (e.g. where one who considers risk to life allowable but not risk to general health may fall).

zamadatix 3y ago

This doesn't apply because Alabama's law banning abortion explicitly excludes said circumstances but it's perfectly feasible (and does occur) for a fetus to be at a stage where it has some non-zero chance of surviving without the mother which opens the debate around whether to allow maximizing safety of the mother or maximizing safety of the fetus. Finding people who would argue the latter is not particularly difficult, more than 1 in 5 of those who support any kind of limitation in abortion (or 13% of the total population) support making abortion illegal in all circumstances: https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion... While it's okay to highlight to others such a view is not the majority opinion of those wishing to limit abortion it's important not to sweep double digit percentages of viewpoints under the rug and proclaim what you feel a certain group ought to think like in its place.

COGlory 3y ago
That poll needs to be explicit about the definition of abortion to be a useful disambiguation. Most people probably don't even consider treating an ectopic pregnancy an abortion, just like how most people don't consider killing someone in self defense to be murder, juts as an example. I'd imagine that healthy viable fetus is likely implicit in a lot of people's personal definition, even those personally against it.
- zamadatix 3y ago
  If people didn't commonly consider situations which threaten the mother's life actual abortion the Alabama abortion law wouldn't list it as an allowed case for abortion it'd list it as not abortion. What one imagines people probably think is neither here nor there. Regardless, here is another poll https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/pf_05-06-22_abortion-views_0_2/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abo..., this time by Pew, which supports that a similar 10% of the total population respond that there should be absolutely no exceptions to abortion when the pregnancy threatens the woman's life or health. A question much harder to mistake what abortion means in the context. A further 10% of the total population hold that it depends on the specific situation, meaning those aren't included in the other 10% and may also contribute to additional percentage per case in question (e.g. where one who considers risk to life allowable but not risk to general health may fall).