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I would encourage anyone about to make a blithe comment about embryos being people to consider how they would feel about criminal charges against someone who mu

I would encourage anyone about to make a blithe comment about embryos being people to consider how they would feel about criminal charges against someone who murders a pregnant woman. I'd also recommend everyone read this sentence: >]he Wrongful Death of a Minor Act is sweeping and unqualified. It applies to all children, born and unborn, without limitation. It is not the role of this Court to craft a new limitation based on our own view of what is or is not wise public policy. That is especially true where, as here, the People of this State have adopted a Constitutional amendment directly aimed at stopping courts from excluding ‘unborn life’ from legal protection.” ...before complaining about unaccountable judiciary.

zamadatix 3y ago
Do you mean feticide? I can't imagine many's feelings on criminal charges for murder of a woman depend on whether or not she was pregnant.
- COGlory 3y ago
  In most of the US, that's legally double homicide. The point is for people making snarky comments such as "can the embryo run for president in 35 years?" and "can I claim it on my taxes?" The legal system has different levels of protection all across the US, federally and on a state level, for unborn children/fetuses/however you want to call it. Being granted one legal status does not automatically grant all legal statuses. Pretending otherwise is just willfully ignoring centuries of established legal practices to make a petty point that doesn't actually hold up.
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  - zamadatix 3y ago
    I guess the question being what's the relation to the example case? I.e. what about the case of the murder of a pregnant woman is supposed to be considered that wouldn't be considered in the primary case, outside that you've added the death of a woman to the situation? I'm not saying I disagree with anything I'm just lost why the example invokes anything new to consider in the context.
    - COGlory 3y ago
      I'm just saying that fetuses already have some legal protection without breaking the legal system, so we can dispense with "can my embryo be claimed on taxes" jokes. That's all - this post was hit with like 5 of them in 5 minutes, and they don't prove any sort of legal inconsistency.
      - zamadatix 3y ago
        I get wanting to say "skip the low effort 'when can my embryo sign for the loan' jokes" but that fetuses already have some legal protection in certain jurisdictions is not proof the stance leads to legal consistency, it is proof similarly debated laws about feticide exist in certain jurisdictions. The people you're telling to consider the jurisdictions which treat feticide as homicide will have the same consistency disagreements with those laws as they do this one and would point you to the jurisdictions that do not consider feticide as homicide as the consistent side of the law. That not all consider them legally consistent is one of the reasons said laws aren't universally held in all states.

zamadatix 3y ago

Do you mean feticide? I can't imagine many's feelings on criminal charges for murder of a woman depend on whether or not she was pregnant.

COGlory 3y ago
In most of the US, that's legally double homicide. The point is for people making snarky comments such as "can the embryo run for president in 35 years?" and "can I claim it on my taxes?" The legal system has different levels of protection all across the US, federally and on a state level, for unborn children/fetuses/however you want to call it. Being granted one legal status does not automatically grant all legal statuses. Pretending otherwise is just willfully ignoring centuries of established legal practices to make a petty point that doesn't actually hold up.
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- zamadatix 3y ago
  I guess the question being what's the relation to the example case? I.e. what about the case of the murder of a pregnant woman is supposed to be considered that wouldn't be considered in the primary case, outside that you've added the death of a woman to the situation? I'm not saying I disagree with anything I'm just lost why the example invokes anything new to consider in the context.
  - COGlory 3y ago
    I'm just saying that fetuses already have some legal protection without breaking the legal system, so we can dispense with "can my embryo be claimed on taxes" jokes. That's all - this post was hit with like 5 of them in 5 minutes, and they don't prove any sort of legal inconsistency.
    - zamadatix 3y ago
      I get wanting to say "skip the low effort 'when can my embryo sign for the loan' jokes" but that fetuses already have some legal protection in certain jurisdictions is not proof the stance leads to legal consistency, it is proof similarly debated laws about feticide exist in certain jurisdictions. The people you're telling to consider the jurisdictions which treat feticide as homicide will have the same consistency disagreements with those laws as they do this one and would point you to the jurisdictions that do not consider feticide as homicide as the consistent side of the law. That not all consider them legally consistent is one of the reasons said laws aren't universally held in all states.