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The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. If they wouldn't build them, someone else will. They're kind of

The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. If they wouldn't build them, someone else will. They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you?

Qem 3y ago
> They're kind of like arms manufacturers. More like hired hitmen.
p_l 3y ago
If the arms manufacturer explicitly works with unethical and illegal uses of clients as main sales target, yes.
axlee 3y ago
> The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. There is also insatiable demand for nuclear weapons, but if a private company from the US started selling them to random dictatorships, yes, I would blame them.
- dogma1138 3y ago
  Poland isn’t a dictatorship, it’s an EU member state and a member of NATO. Also let’s not compare malware/spyware to nuclear weapons. Poland can get their hands on any weapon or controlled technology they pretty much want.
  - axlee 3y ago
    Pegasus is notoriously sold to more than 40 countries worldwide, among them a fair share of dictatorships: Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, (Hungary?), Bahrain, Russia...
    - dogma1138 3y ago
      It wasn’t sold to neither Russia or Belarus, and the rest are countries that we sell weapons too all the time. And I find it laughable that you out Hungary as a dictatorship it’s an EU member and a NATO member.
    - IYasha 3y ago
      You truly have some bias in your definition of dictatorship.
      - actionfromafar 3y ago
        A bias towards democracy.
        hulitu 3y ago
        Like Canada, US ...
        dogma1138 3y ago
        That would be an argument if we weren’t selling weapons to those countries all the fucking time.
CPLX 3y ago
Of course I do. Is your theory that manufacturing weapons of war is a morally neutral occupation?
someotherperson 3y ago
Replace NSO group’s spyware with child sex slaves, reread what you wrote, and then revisit your moral compass
kergonath 3y ago
> If they wouldn't build them, someone else will. Nobody thinks that we can prevent everyone from doing something. The point of regulating (or making it illegal) and then enforcing those laws is to increase friction, increase costs, and thus making the thing difficult enough to obtain that the problems it causes become manageable. If there are 3 vendors of this sort of thing, then shutting down one of them definitely will make it more difficult for would-be customers by increasing costs and risks. Something does not have to be perfect to be good. > They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you? When Iran sells weapons to the Russians we definitely blame them, yes. And the Russians for using them, as well.

Qem 3y ago

> They're kind of like arms manufacturers. More like hired hitmen.

p_l 3y ago

If the arms manufacturer explicitly works with unethical and illegal uses of clients as main sales target, yes.

axlee 3y ago

> The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. There is also insatiable demand for nuclear weapons, but if a private company from the US started selling them to random dictatorships, yes, I would blame them.

dogma1138 3y ago
Poland isn’t a dictatorship, it’s an EU member state and a member of NATO. Also let’s not compare malware/spyware to nuclear weapons. Poland can get their hands on any weapon or controlled technology they pretty much want.
- axlee 3y ago
  Pegasus is notoriously sold to more than 40 countries worldwide, among them a fair share of dictatorships: Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, (Hungary?), Bahrain, Russia...
  - dogma1138 3y ago
    It wasn’t sold to neither Russia or Belarus, and the rest are countries that we sell weapons too all the time. And I find it laughable that you out Hungary as a dictatorship it’s an EU member and a NATO member.
  - IYasha 3y ago
    You truly have some bias in your definition of dictatorship.
    - actionfromafar 3y ago
      A bias towards democracy.
      - hulitu 3y ago
        Like Canada, US ...
        dogma1138 3y ago
        That would be an argument if we weren’t selling weapons to those countries all the fucking time.

CPLX 3y ago

Of course I do. Is your theory that manufacturing weapons of war is a morally neutral occupation?

someotherperson 3y ago

Replace NSO group’s spyware with child sex slaves, reread what you wrote, and then revisit your moral compass

kergonath 3y ago

> If they wouldn't build them, someone else will. Nobody thinks that we can prevent everyone from doing something. The point of regulating (or making it illegal) and then enforcing those laws is to increase friction, increase costs, and thus making the thing difficult enough to obtain that the problems it causes become manageable. If there are 3 vendors of this sort of thing, then shutting down one of them definitely will make it more difficult for would-be customers by increasing costs and risks. Something does not have to be perfect to be good. > They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you? When Iran sells weapons to the Russians we definitely blame them, yes. And the Russians for using them, as well.