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> You have to be participating in a torrent swarm in order to bootstrap yourself into DHT at all. This is not correct. > Bittorrent's DHT is not a network ind

> You have to be participating in a torrent swarm in order to bootstrap yourself into DHT at all. This is not correct. > Bittorrent's DHT is not a network independent of torrent swarms. This is also wrong. People have used the DHT for non-torrent-related purposes. > You need the address of a peer who is already part of the network in order to join it, and you have to get a list those addresses from somewhere. And nothing dictates that that has to be obtained via the bittorrent peer protocol. https://stackoverflow.com/a/11089702/1362755 https://stackoverflow.com/a/11089702/1362755

pessimizer 3y ago
Which of these methods is not obtaining the address of a node in a swarm, or hitting a tracker for a list of nodes in a swarm? > People have used the DHT for non-torrent-related purposes. This is simply non-responsive. People have used a DHT overlaid on the collection of torrent swarms for non-torrent related purposes. > And nothing dictates that that has to be obtained via the bittorrent peer protocol. This is a silly distinction. You also don't need to join a swarm to get on the DHT if I join a swarm to get on the DHT, write down the addresses I get on a piece of paper, then email you those addresses, which you plug into your handwritten specialized client that only knows how to join the DHT.
- anacrolix 3y ago
  Sorry bro, the8472 is correct on all counts. Misunderstanding DHTs and BitTorrent and how they relate is very common.
- the8472 3y ago
  > Which of these methods is not obtaining the address of a node in a swarm, or hitting a tracker for a list of nodes in a swarm? The "find bootstrap nodes via a bunch of DNS records, then persist long-lived contacts locally" approach is quite common. > People have used a DHT overlaid on the collection of torrent swarms for non-torrent related purposes. No, the software does not involve joining any bittorrent swarms at all.

pessimizer 3y ago

Which of these methods is not obtaining the address of a node in a swarm, or hitting a tracker for a list of nodes in a swarm? > People have used the DHT for non-torrent-related purposes. This is simply non-responsive. People have used a DHT overlaid on the collection of torrent swarms for non-torrent related purposes. > And nothing dictates that that has to be obtained via the bittorrent peer protocol. This is a silly distinction. You also don't need to join a swarm to get on the DHT if I join a swarm to get on the DHT, write down the addresses I get on a piece of paper, then email you those addresses, which you plug into your handwritten specialized client that only knows how to join the DHT.

anacrolix 3y ago
Sorry bro, the8472 is correct on all counts. Misunderstanding DHTs and BitTorrent and how they relate is very common.
the8472 3y ago
> Which of these methods is not obtaining the address of a node in a swarm, or hitting a tracker for a list of nodes in a swarm? The "find bootstrap nodes via a bunch of DNS records, then persist long-lived contacts locally" approach is quite common. > People have used a DHT overlaid on the collection of torrent swarms for non-torrent related purposes. No, the software does not involve joining any bittorrent swarms at all.