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This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam

This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam engine: AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. It can imitate art that is the result of our deepest internal processes. Also, AI is about replacing all human jobs and capabilities. Not just a super narrow subset.

aleph_minus_one 3y ago
This answer sounds like taken from one of the AI startups' investor pitch. Don't believe in these "too-good-to-be-true" promises that hustlers put into their slide decks. :-)
- Tadpole9181 3y ago
  And your comment is against HN guidelines. Don't take swipes.
- quantified 3y ago
  To me it seemed like an amplification of the parent's point: AI is poised to disrupt the reason behind a great deal of human endeavor. For music, only live performance will count. Sculpture, printmaking, painting, possibly even jewelry-making? Do it by machine, 10x the speed for 0.1x the labor, you're not the actor, the machine is the actor and you're sort of the director.
danielheath 3y ago
> AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. In the jargon of fine arts, "craft" refers "making a thing well / in a particular style" while "art" has something to say, most often challenging a widespread idea. EG installing a toilet in a room of an art gallery with a plaque stating "this is art" was a bold work of art, but was not an impressive display of craft. I really appreciate this distinction, because separating those concepts immediately clarifies a lot of the discussion around "AI Art". AI can imitate _craft_ exceptionally well, but it cannot create _art_ (that is, it can't independently devise a display which challenges a widespread idea). Working artists are losing out because nearly all of the economic demand for art was actually demand for craft, and they're doubly angry because their past work was needed to create the machine that's now undercutting their income.
- ChainOfFools 3y ago
  Agree. A magnificent example of craft will make make you curious about how it was done, while a correspondingly magnificent example of art will make you curious about why it was done. An AI-generated work is mainly if not categorically a prompt for "how" questions, as its can-kicking answer to "why" is built right into the first letter of the initialism: because a human wanted it. The real answer to why is pursued from that point up into its usual unnavigable headwaters, with a few extra twists concerning the question of whether the word artificial itself will turn out to be merely another diguise of the anthropic principle.
seoulmetro 3y ago
You think making art is more important than making the very foundations of the world we live in autonomous is? How can you even reason that. Imagine an army of people with AI art makers versing an army of people with steam engines... who do you think will change the world? AI is nothing compared to the industrial revolution.
- bamboozled 3y ago
  I think we could say AI is part of the revolution ?
- bigboy12 3y ago
  Yap yap yap. The camera will ruin painters, movies will cause psychosis , dancing is gods sin, comics will ruin our nation’s youth , photoshop will end the work of photography. Blah blah blah.
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aleph_minus_one 3y ago

This answer sounds like taken from one of the AI startups' investor pitch. Don't believe in these "too-good-to-be-true" promises that hustlers put into their slide decks. :-)

Tadpole9181 3y ago
And your comment is against HN guidelines. Don't take swipes.
quantified 3y ago
To me it seemed like an amplification of the parent's point: AI is poised to disrupt the reason behind a great deal of human endeavor. For music, only live performance will count. Sculpture, printmaking, painting, possibly even jewelry-making? Do it by machine, 10x the speed for 0.1x the labor, you're not the actor, the machine is the actor and you're sort of the director.

danielheath 3y ago

> AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. In the jargon of fine arts, "craft" refers "making a thing well / in a particular style" while "art" has something to say, most often challenging a widespread idea. EG installing a toilet in a room of an art gallery with a plaque stating "this is art" was a bold work of art, but was not an impressive display of craft. I really appreciate this distinction, because separating those concepts immediately clarifies a lot of the discussion around "AI Art". AI can imitate _craft_ exceptionally well, but it cannot create _art_ (that is, it can't independently devise a display which challenges a widespread idea). Working artists are losing out because nearly all of the economic demand for art was actually demand for craft, and they're doubly angry because their past work was needed to create the machine that's now undercutting their income.

ChainOfFools 3y ago
Agree. A magnificent example of craft will make make you curious about how it was done, while a correspondingly magnificent example of art will make you curious about why it was done. An AI-generated work is mainly if not categorically a prompt for "how" questions, as its can-kicking answer to "why" is built right into the first letter of the initialism: because a human wanted it. The real answer to why is pursued from that point up into its usual unnavigable headwaters, with a few extra twists concerning the question of whether the word artificial itself will turn out to be merely another diguise of the anthropic principle.

seoulmetro 3y ago

You think making art is more important than making the very foundations of the world we live in autonomous is? How can you even reason that. Imagine an army of people with AI art makers versing an army of people with steam engines... who do you think will change the world? AI is nothing compared to the industrial revolution.

bamboozled 3y ago
I think we could say AI is part of the revolution ?
bigboy12 3y ago
Yap yap yap. The camera will ruin painters, movies will cause psychosis , dancing is gods sin, comics will ruin our nation’s youth , photoshop will end the work of photography. Blah blah blah.
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