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Good cryptographic solutions exist for these problems

by gfodor 3y ago

rocqua 3y ago
Cryptography can make content you create marked. But how would you use it to mark content other (non cooperative) people make?
- pixl97 3y ago
  Ya anyone that tells you crypto solves the problems of bad actors is delusional or pawning a bill of goods.
  - rocqua 3y ago
    Cryptography is great for amplifying control from controlling access to a single secret to the ability to read information, create 'valid' information, and even to combine new information. What kind tends to limit cryptography from solving problems is that controlling a secret is actually quite difficult.
  - gfodor 3y ago
    No, you can filter bullshit by trusted public keys. This isn’t a new problem. It just now needs to go mainstream.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      "Sorry everyone, my private key got leaked and I had to revoke it, use this public key instead, also buy this crypto" --Really, really Elon Musk Cryptography and human behavior are incompatible.
      - gfodor 3y ago
        I mean if you think about it for 5 minutes sure. But look at what bluesky is doing for example around decentralized moderation. It’s not really been an important problem in the global sense to get cryptographic attestations by neural parties for asserting what they have witnessed or analyzed for evidence of falsehoods
        pixl97 3y ago
        I mean, if I control your DNS for a few moments, there are trusted providers that will issue a TLS cert to me. Things like this happen all the time for companies that hopefully have a security officer. Individuals have little hope here.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  Regulation. Law. Human verification. Slow old fashioned ways of verifying content. Basically in the context of news for example: outlets pinkyswear that their writers are made of flesh and use sources from other companies that have the same sort of certification and so on. All the way from eyes to consumer. And you'd not read news without that kind of certification in the future I guess.

Good cryptographic solutions exist for these problems

by gfodor 3y ago

Good cryptographic solutions exist for these problems

Cryptography can make content you create marked. But how would you use it to mark content other (non cooperative) people make?

pixl97 3y ago
Ya anyone that tells you crypto solves the problems of bad actors is delusional or pawning a bill of goods.
- rocqua 3y ago
  Cryptography is great for amplifying control from controlling access to a single secret to the ability to read information, create 'valid' information, and even to combine new information. What kind tends to limit cryptography from solving problems is that controlling a secret is actually quite difficult.
- gfodor 3y ago
  No, you can filter bullshit by trusted public keys. This isn’t a new problem. It just now needs to go mainstream.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    "Sorry everyone, my private key got leaked and I had to revoke it, use this public key instead, also buy this crypto" --Really, really Elon Musk Cryptography and human behavior are incompatible.
    - gfodor 3y ago
      I mean if you think about it for 5 minutes sure. But look at what bluesky is doing for example around decentralized moderation. It’s not really been an important problem in the global sense to get cryptographic attestations by neural parties for asserting what they have witnessed or analyzed for evidence of falsehoods
      - pixl97 3y ago
        I mean, if I control your DNS for a few moments, there are trusted providers that will issue a TLS cert to me. Things like this happen all the time for companies that hopefully have a security officer. Individuals have little hope here.
alkonaut 3y ago
Regulation. Law. Human verification. Slow old fashioned ways of verifying content. Basically in the context of news for example: outlets pinkyswear that their writers are made of flesh and use sources from other companies that have the same sort of certification and so on. All the way from eyes to consumer. And you'd not read news without that kind of certification in the future I guess.