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> Stop sending your content for free and get them to agree to some contract and authorize/license their access to your stuff. Agreed, we need to wrap the publi

> Stop sending your content for free and get them to agree to some contract and authorize/license their access to your stuff. Agreed, we need to wrap the public web with DRM immediately. We can't expect companies like OpenAI to waste time worrying about pesky legalities like copyright and content licensing.

spencerflem 3y ago
I don't think there's a technical solution that would work here. This is a law & enforcement problem
- ducttapecrown 3y ago
  That's what the above comment implies if you read it sarcastically, they might be in agreement with you!
  - spencerflem 3y ago
    whoops, duh you're right
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  It depends what your goal is. If you're trying to prevent anyone from getting a copy of what's on your site, you're probably screwed, because technical solutions are hard and legal solutions are only going to be violated by The Internet since it isn't all in your jurisdiction. If you're just trying to keep them from putting an excessive load on your servers, technical solutions are easy. Just give them an API or some other efficient way to receive the data.
BeFlatXIII 3y ago
Perhaps this can accelerate DRM hacking if multiple billions of startup money are put behind breaking it to stealthily add to the data sets. All the more fun if it's done somewhere extradition-proof from the US.
flir 3y ago
You're not even sure this is a copyright issue in the US yet, let alone every other country on the planet. So yes, if you don't want it freely consumed, don't freely publish it.
- spencerflem 3y ago
  Wouldn't that be worse? Then instead of there being some way to get the information (pay them) there's now no way to get it.
  - flir 3y ago
    I'm in "I just want to watch the world burn" mode over this right now, to be honest. If all that's left on the open internet is SEO spam, and all the chatbots can train on is SEO spam, then so be it. We didn't deserve to have nice things.
    - spencerflem 3y ago
      Yea the world sucks, tech companies are making it worse, the economy is built to funnel money to whoever can suck the most value out of the commons for themselves, climate change will ruin everything, hug your favorite endangered species while you still can, and the internet is best at spreading lies I don't see how arguing that it should be harder for journalists to get paid helps anything though
      - flir 3y ago
        Accelerationism, obvs. (Except I'm pretty sure that doesn't work either).
- CharlesW 3y ago
  > You're not even sure this is a copyright issue in the US yet… We are sure that OpenAI is building its business on copyrighted content, under the defense that to do otherwise is "impossible." The courts have not decided whether this is "fair use". However, the four factors make it pretty clear.

spencerflem 3y ago

I don't think there's a technical solution that would work here. This is a law & enforcement problem

ducttapecrown 3y ago
That's what the above comment implies if you read it sarcastically, they might be in agreement with you!
- spencerflem 3y ago
  whoops, duh you're right
AnthonyMouse 3y ago
It depends what your goal is. If you're trying to prevent anyone from getting a copy of what's on your site, you're probably screwed, because technical solutions are hard and legal solutions are only going to be violated by The Internet since it isn't all in your jurisdiction. If you're just trying to keep them from putting an excessive load on your servers, technical solutions are easy. Just give them an API or some other efficient way to receive the data.

BeFlatXIII 3y ago

Perhaps this can accelerate DRM hacking if multiple billions of startup money are put behind breaking it to stealthily add to the data sets. All the more fun if it's done somewhere extradition-proof from the US.

flir 3y ago

You're not even sure this is a copyright issue in the US yet, let alone every other country on the planet. So yes, if you don't want it freely consumed, don't freely publish it.

spencerflem 3y ago
Wouldn't that be worse? Then instead of there being some way to get the information (pay them) there's now no way to get it.
- flir 3y ago
  I'm in "I just want to watch the world burn" mode over this right now, to be honest. If all that's left on the open internet is SEO spam, and all the chatbots can train on is SEO spam, then so be it. We didn't deserve to have nice things.
  - spencerflem 3y ago
    Yea the world sucks, tech companies are making it worse, the economy is built to funnel money to whoever can suck the most value out of the commons for themselves, climate change will ruin everything, hug your favorite endangered species while you still can, and the internet is best at spreading lies I don't see how arguing that it should be harder for journalists to get paid helps anything though
    - flir 3y ago
      Accelerationism, obvs. (Except I'm pretty sure that doesn't work either).
CharlesW 3y ago
> You're not even sure this is a copyright issue in the US yet… We are sure that OpenAI is building its business on copyrighted content, under the defense that to do otherwise is "impossible." The courts have not decided whether this is "fair use". However, the four factors make it pretty clear.