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Impressive how quickly you escalated from talking sense (although I'm not sure why building a gun should be any more or less legal than buying a gun) to conspir

by corin_ 15y ago

Impressive how quickly you escalated from talking sense (although I'm not sure why building a gun should be any more or less legal than buying a gun) to conspiracy theory there.

learc83 15y ago
Building a gun requires a whole new set of hoops to jump through. It is not legal to manufacture firearms unless you are licensed. The ATF will freak out and confiscate everything if they get wind of you building so much as a zip gun. Also I assume that if the GP is planning on 3D printing an AR-15 once it's feasible (already illegal), he is planning on manufacturing a fully automatic version. That would be manufacturing a "machine gun" and would bring serious jail time.
- samstave 15y ago
  That is a slanderous statement. L send you an email about your slandering me claiming that I am stating such things. Learc83: I have no intention of breaking the law. For you to post such slander online is outrageous. Let's hope we do not meet face to face. My family has been a responsible gun owning family for more than 150 years. I am appalled and angered that you simply assume that I would seek the most illegal form of weapon should I simply be able to print it. Shall I assume that you have a propensity for rape if I were to know you were not a virgin? My point in my original post was that should politicians who are abstracted from the understanding of how information exists will always err on the side on insane restrictions not based in the reality of how that information is actually disseminated or accessed. You cannot outlaw knowledge, or intelligence. However, in your case, it appears you can aschew it.
  - learc83 15y ago
    >That is a slanderous statement. It would be libelous not slanderous, if it was actually defamatory. Also you'll notice I said if you plan on manufacturing a firearm illegally you'll likely manufacture an automatic version--I never said you would do so. >Shall I assume that you have a propensity for rape if I were to know you were not a virgin? Since not being a virgin is not illegal, those are not analogous. A better analogy would be something like: I assume you have a propensity for rape, if you have previously committed sexual battery.
    - samstave 15y ago
      I am sorry, I took the literal definition of the following: "* a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name* You published and broadcast on HN that you assumed that I would be manufacturing illegal weapons based on a comment that I had an STL for a part of a gun. You said that you DO assume that if I am going to 3D print a part, that I would be producing the fully automatic version of a weapon. This post ignores the fact that the STL I refer to is only a singular part of a device. Further, your analogy DOES NOT work. As printing a gun part is NOT illegal. So you are saying that having an STL is the same as having previously commited sexual battery??? NO IT DOES NOT. My analogy works, yours is broken.
- Pinckney 15y ago
  >It is not legal to manufacture firearms unless you are licensed. This is false. It is legal for non-prohibited persons to manufacture non-NFA firearms without a license, provided you do not do so "for sale or distribution." Your state may impose additional restrictions. (I believe it is also legal for non-licensed individuals to manufacture non-machinegun NFA items by filing a form 1 and paying the tax, but don't quote me on that.) http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#commercial-parts-assembly http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#com...
samstave 15y ago
How impressive how you really haven't been paying attention. Are you that misinformed that you need me to cite my comment? Or, do you, like most on HN consider themselves to be well informed and intelligent? Then how about you do some research, look into the history of a large number of people and their careers: Do you know how any of the following people came to be in their positions: (clue: you'd need to know what they were doing over the last 45 years) GHW bush Cheyney Dov zakheim Rumsfeld Ashcroft Tom Ridge If you know where these guys have come from and what they have been doing (more than just Wikipedia) you'd be a bit closet to understanding some of the things we are dealing with. Rather than downvote, why don't you ask for information.
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- corin_ 15y ago
  Please make sure you keep us all up-to-date on the trial, can't wait to hear you argue that he should have assumed you downloaded STL files without a purpose because you didn't intend to use them. By the way I'm not fussed about considering myself informed and intelligent, I'm happy enough with "not a whack job".
  - samstave 15y ago
    Downloading an STL is not illegal. Further it is not of a fully automatic version, or any fully operational version. The STL is the largest milled and most expensive pieces. This does NOT produce an illegal weapon. It saves cost, should you have the machinery to make the lower with your own tools. I appreciate the both of you attempting to appear legally abiding, informed citizens, but you're just a pair of dicks that assume that anyone doing anything outside of your own boxed reality must be a criminal. Kudos - I am sure you'll do well in politics. But you sound like freaking idiots assuming what you do. I am sure you believe yourselves to be well informed, but I am not sure you truly are. My stating I have the STLs for an AR-15 lower etc is NOT the same as stating I intend to manufacture illegal weapons as the other poster claimed. So, fuck both of you for attempting to slander my thusly.
    - corin_ 15y ago
      No seriously, please take this to court, it will be absolutely hilarious.
      - samstave 15y ago
        Corin, That would be really funny if you were not from a country that didn't expressly outlaw firearms for the common man. Also, in your vast experience over the last ~4 years as operations manager, I am sure that I should bow to your expertise over such situations where you are accused of illegal activity based on a comment on HN. I look forward to your council. While you're a young person from the UK with little to no experience with either US law, culture, politics or history, I appreciate your input in this matter. I would hope that you could do yourself a favor and look into the things I stated above. I could give you some referrences to the things I said, but I doubt you would use them as much as I doubt you would even look into anything I said. I you find that you DO want to know some things that occurred not only prior to when you were 11, but also things that occurred decades before you were born, please let me know. Seriously. There is a lot more to know, hopefully you wont acquiesce to what you think you know from the internet.

by corin_ 15y ago

Impressive how quickly you escalated from talking sense (although I'm not sure why building a gun should be any more or less legal than buying a gun) to conspiracy theory there.

learc83 15y ago

Building a gun requires a whole new set of hoops to jump through. It is not legal to manufacture firearms unless you are licensed. The ATF will freak out and confiscate everything if they get wind of you building so much as a zip gun. Also I assume that if the GP is planning on 3D printing an AR-15 once it's feasible (already illegal), he is planning on manufacturing a fully automatic version. That would be manufacturing a "machine gun" and would bring serious jail time.

samstave 15y ago
That is a slanderous statement. L send you an email about your slandering me claiming that I am stating such things. Learc83: I have no intention of breaking the law. For you to post such slander online is outrageous. Let's hope we do not meet face to face. My family has been a responsible gun owning family for more than 150 years. I am appalled and angered that you simply assume that I would seek the most illegal form of weapon should I simply be able to print it. Shall I assume that you have a propensity for rape if I were to know you were not a virgin? My point in my original post was that should politicians who are abstracted from the understanding of how information exists will always err on the side on insane restrictions not based in the reality of how that information is actually disseminated or accessed. You cannot outlaw knowledge, or intelligence. However, in your case, it appears you can aschew it.
- learc83 15y ago
  >That is a slanderous statement. It would be libelous not slanderous, if it was actually defamatory. Also you'll notice I said if you plan on manufacturing a firearm illegally you'll likely manufacture an automatic version--I never said you would do so. >Shall I assume that you have a propensity for rape if I were to know you were not a virgin? Since not being a virgin is not illegal, those are not analogous. A better analogy would be something like: I assume you have a propensity for rape, if you have previously committed sexual battery.
  - samstave 15y ago
    I am sorry, I took the literal definition of the following: "* a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name* You published and broadcast on HN that you assumed that I would be manufacturing illegal weapons based on a comment that I had an STL for a part of a gun. You said that you DO assume that if I am going to 3D print a part, that I would be producing the fully automatic version of a weapon. This post ignores the fact that the STL I refer to is only a singular part of a device. Further, your analogy DOES NOT work. As printing a gun part is NOT illegal. So you are saying that having an STL is the same as having previously commited sexual battery??? NO IT DOES NOT. My analogy works, yours is broken.
Pinckney 15y ago
>It is not legal to manufacture firearms unless you are licensed. This is false. It is legal for non-prohibited persons to manufacture non-NFA firearms without a license, provided you do not do so "for sale or distribution." Your state may impose additional restrictions. (I believe it is also legal for non-licensed individuals to manufacture non-machinegun NFA items by filing a form 1 and paying the tax, but don't quote me on that.) http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#commercial-parts-assembly http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#com...

samstave 15y ago

How impressive how you really haven't been paying attention. Are you that misinformed that you need me to cite my comment? Or, do you, like most on HN consider themselves to be well informed and intelligent? Then how about you do some research, look into the history of a large number of people and their careers: Do you know how any of the following people came to be in their positions: (clue: you'd need to know what they were doing over the last 45 years) GHW bush Cheyney Dov zakheim Rumsfeld Ashcroft Tom Ridge If you know where these guys have come from and what they have been doing (more than just Wikipedia) you'd be a bit closet to understanding some of the things we are dealing with. Rather than downvote, why don't you ask for information.

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corin_ 15y ago
Please make sure you keep us all up-to-date on the trial, can't wait to hear you argue that he should have assumed you downloaded STL files without a purpose because you didn't intend to use them. By the way I'm not fussed about considering myself informed and intelligent, I'm happy enough with "not a whack job".
- samstave 15y ago
  Downloading an STL is not illegal. Further it is not of a fully automatic version, or any fully operational version. The STL is the largest milled and most expensive pieces. This does NOT produce an illegal weapon. It saves cost, should you have the machinery to make the lower with your own tools. I appreciate the both of you attempting to appear legally abiding, informed citizens, but you're just a pair of dicks that assume that anyone doing anything outside of your own boxed reality must be a criminal. Kudos - I am sure you'll do well in politics. But you sound like freaking idiots assuming what you do. I am sure you believe yourselves to be well informed, but I am not sure you truly are. My stating I have the STLs for an AR-15 lower etc is NOT the same as stating I intend to manufacture illegal weapons as the other poster claimed. So, fuck both of you for attempting to slander my thusly.
  - corin_ 15y ago
    No seriously, please take this to court, it will be absolutely hilarious.
    - samstave 15y ago
      Corin, That would be really funny if you were not from a country that didn't expressly outlaw firearms for the common man. Also, in your vast experience over the last ~4 years as operations manager, I am sure that I should bow to your expertise over such situations where you are accused of illegal activity based on a comment on HN. I look forward to your council. While you're a young person from the UK with little to no experience with either US law, culture, politics or history, I appreciate your input in this matter. I would hope that you could do yourself a favor and look into the things I stated above. I could give you some referrences to the things I said, but I doubt you would use them as much as I doubt you would even look into anything I said. I you find that you DO want to know some things that occurred not only prior to when you were 11, but also things that occurred decades before you were born, please let me know. Seriously. There is a lot more to know, hopefully you wont acquiesce to what you think you know from the internet.