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I'd like to clarify on "was killed mostly by price dumping" - that was only part of the reason. Huawei selling below production cost killed much of the EU hardw

I'd like to clarify on "was killed mostly by price dumping" - that was only part of the reason. Huawei selling below production cost killed much of the EU hardware vendors (Siemens, Alcatel Lucent), but there also was a massive lack of investment in education, a terrible failure culture, and a pretty much non-existent VC market to blame. But anyway: There is nothing left over here that could only remotely catch up with the pace technology is developing in the US and China. We would be 10+ years late to any such game. So: It's really just about making sure some of our basic human rights, democracy and free markets survive while the US and China are fighting it out on who is going to control us.

betaby 3y ago
> We would be 10+ years late to any such game. Yep, so `smash 'em`? > basic human rights Try again, perhaps revive 'Chatcontrol' again? This time it definitely will help.
- Fischgericht 3y ago
  You may prefer to say it in a different way than "smash 'em". But yes, if you violate the laws of the region you are operating in, there must be consequences. So, if you prefer: "Fine them. Jail them". Better? And in regards of the chat control shit: Yes, this has been going on for decades now and pops up again and again. Originally it was pushed into the EU by the US via the UK. The crypto wars in the US appear to be over for now, but some European right-wingers are still dreaming about it. But just this week the European Court of Human Rights has decided "chat control", aka weakening end-to-end-encryption is a violation of basic human rights. This doesn't mean that the right wingers in various EU countries won't try again, but it's pretty futile. We, the people, won.