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You’re forgetting about condos.

by e40 3y ago

andrewmcwatters 3y ago
Which are nearly as worthless because most apartments are not for sale and condos come with their own rent-like fees.
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  But those “rent-like fees” are not rents. HOA maintenance fees, while irritating, have no bearing on whether someone gas ownership over a condo or not. Do you decry SFH because you have to pay property tax, are they also “rent-like fees” which cause residents to be “permanently enslaved by rent”?
  - andrewmcwatters 3y ago
    I think most housing should be in the form of single-family homes or in property that you own outright. So, yeah, ideally I don’t think people should have to pay property taxes. But you need schools funded, streets maintained, etc. Edit: Of course they’re maintenance fees; you don’t get to decide what’s being maintained or to what standard. Why? Because you don’t own it.
    - Apocryphon 3y ago
      Then your caviling about condos is wrongheaded, because you can actually own them (and townhouses) outright. The “rent-like fees” are often for maintenance costs for shared infrastructure in complexes. Do you even know what you’re complaining about?
      - saratogacx 3y ago
        Also missing is that many (especially new) SFH developments have HOA's that can be nearly as restrictive and heavy handed as some condo boards. When buying real estate there is plenty of documentation explaining exactly what you are owning and what you don't. If you don't find the price fits the description of what you're buying, you aren't in any obligation to follow through until a mutual deal has been made.
        andrewmcwatters 3y ago
        Yeah, I don’t agree that you truly own your home in an HOA when they tell you that you can’t paint your house a particular color, etc.
        Apocryphon 3y ago
        And you can't do whatever you'd like to the sidewalk in front of your SFH. In fact, you can't even do plenty on your property without getting permits from the city. So perhaps the practical distinction is merely a difference in degrees. https://web.archive.org/web/20071012030337/http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/101007dnmetfbpaint.3641f66.html https://web.archive.org/web/20071012030337/http://www.dallas... https://www.cyburbia.org/forums/threads/restricting-paint-colors-in-a-municipal-code.44859/ https://www.cyburbia.org/forums/threads/restricting-paint-co...

You’re forgetting about condos.

by e40 3y ago

You’re forgetting about condos.

andrewmcwatters 3y ago

Which are nearly as worthless because most apartments are not for sale and condos come with their own rent-like fees.

Apocryphon 3y ago
But those “rent-like fees” are not rents. HOA maintenance fees, while irritating, have no bearing on whether someone gas ownership over a condo or not. Do you decry SFH because you have to pay property tax, are they also “rent-like fees” which cause residents to be “permanently enslaved by rent”?
- andrewmcwatters 3y ago
  I think most housing should be in the form of single-family homes or in property that you own outright. So, yeah, ideally I don’t think people should have to pay property taxes. But you need schools funded, streets maintained, etc. Edit: Of course they’re maintenance fees; you don’t get to decide what’s being maintained or to what standard. Why? Because you don’t own it.
  - Apocryphon 3y ago
    Then your caviling about condos is wrongheaded, because you can actually own them (and townhouses) outright. The “rent-like fees” are often for maintenance costs for shared infrastructure in complexes. Do you even know what you’re complaining about?
    - saratogacx 3y ago
      Also missing is that many (especially new) SFH developments have HOA's that can be nearly as restrictive and heavy handed as some condo boards. When buying real estate there is plenty of documentation explaining exactly what you are owning and what you don't. If you don't find the price fits the description of what you're buying, you aren't in any obligation to follow through until a mutual deal has been made.
      - andrewmcwatters 3y ago
        Yeah, I don’t agree that you truly own your home in an HOA when they tell you that you can’t paint your house a particular color, etc.
        Apocryphon 3y ago
        And you can't do whatever you'd like to the sidewalk in front of your SFH. In fact, you can't even do plenty on your property without getting permits from the city. So perhaps the practical distinction is merely a difference in degrees. https://web.archive.org/web/20071012030337/http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/101007dnmetfbpaint.3641f66.html https://web.archive.org/web/20071012030337/http://www.dallas... https://www.cyburbia.org/forums/threads/restricting-paint-colors-in-a-municipal-code.44859/ https://www.cyburbia.org/forums/threads/restricting-paint-co...