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Moving to an area with more grocery stores is orders of magnitude more demanding than selecting another operating system next time you upgrade your phone or com

Moving to an area with more grocery stores is orders of magnitude more demanding than selecting another operating system next time you upgrade your phone or computer, though.

withinboredom 3y ago
> orders of magnitude more demanding than selecting another operating system Having switched from Apple to Microsoft Phone to Android and back to Apple ... I disagree. In that time, I've moved states and even countries. Moving is far less demanding than switching operating systems. Moving is pretty simple: you pack, move, then unpack; and you even get to keep all your stuff! Switching operating systems requires researching for similar apps, purchasing them again, potentially copying music/photo libraries using sketchy tools, hunting down tutorials for how to do things you don't know how to do, etc.
- mrmanner 3y ago
  I don’t agree: Specifically if you live somewhere with only a single food store, there’s a decent likelihood that you’re either heavily invested in the area (farming, forestry, …) or that you can’t afford to live anywhere else. More generally, moving means leaving friends, forcing kids to change schools, and if moving far, learning new laws and customs. Not to mention that packing and moving all that stuff takes days and/or costs thousands of moneys. Extracting files from Google Drive and iCloud is a pain, but is it _that_ bad?
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    > More generally, moving means leaving friends, forcing kids to change schools, and if moving far, learning new laws and customs. Moving the goalpost are we? Sure, if you keep moving it far enough, long enough, then yeah, you'll find a set of conditions where this is no longer true (such as having a family, friends, changing schools, etc). > Extracting files from Google Drive and iCloud is a pain, but is it _that_ bad? I take it you haven't done it. Put your money where your mouth is and just switch. It's that easy, right?
    - bmicraft 3y ago
      If you're moving far enough to have "access to other supermarkets" you by definition don't have access to the same school and friends anymore
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    - mrmanner 3y ago
      > It's that easy, right? I've used... six mobile operating systems in the last ten years. Some learnings: 1. There are cross-platform alternatives for file storage. Consider using them for important things. 2. For work things and organized volunteerism you'll use the tools of the company/organization anyway. 3. Backups help when migrating. You need backups anyway, so make use of them. 4. Only migrate things you actually care about. Screenshots from last year or that draft email to the electrician who installed your fridge? Let them burn
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
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  - withinboredom 3y ago
    Sprinting is def harder than running for 2 hours. I used to run 5-12 miles (8-19 km) in a single session, every week. I still got winded doing sprints.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      well it's a good thing I didn't say sprinting then isn't it?
  - filoleg 3y ago
    Agreed. I did the apple-android-apple switch multiple times. At worst, it took me a day of transferring data and making sure all works the way it is supposed to, and then a week or two getting used to the UIUX (because each switch had multiple years in-between). That's quite nothing. My move back from west coast to east coast of the US recently was way more demanding and taxing in every single way, even if we exclude monetary factors entirely. Moving countries would've been multiple magnitudes even more complex than that. Did that once almost 15 years ago, so I have a basic idea of how difficult it can get. It wasn't even that difficult at all compared to most cases. Doubly ridiculous to hear people trying to compare moving cities to switching between iOS and Android.
ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
Asking my grandma to switch operating systems would be like asking her to start using a new language she doesn't understand as her primary. Meanwhile, she's moved twice in my lifetime. I actually suspect most people move more often than they switch operating systems, and do so more times in their life, too.
- Aaargh20318 3y ago
  > Asking my grandma to switch operating systems would be like asking her to start using a new language she doesn't understand as her primary. I hate this rhetoric that old people are stupid and are intrinsically incapable of understanding modern technology. Computers and cell phones didn't pop into existence overnight. The first home computers entered the market in the late 70's and became commonplace in the 80's. If your grandma is in her 80's now, she was in her 40's back then. None of us had to learn these things overnight and tech was much simpler back then. All she had to do was keep up with what was happening in society. If anything, all this is more complicated for kids as they weren't eased into it like us older folks were. Same goes for cellphones. They got common in the 90's and it took decades for them to get to the point that they are basically supercomputers you can put in your pocket. This is nothing like asking your grandma to start using a new language she doesn't understand. This is more like your grandma stubbornly refusing to learn the meaning of new words introduced into the English language since the 80s. This is about being wilfully disconnected from society. This is not about an inability to learn but an unwillingness. This is not an age thing, to get to the point where switching cellphone OSes is an impossible task you had to have checked out decades ago. It has nothing to do with age and everything with apathy and laziness.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    My kid will simply kill me outright in using a phone as a controller. I never learned those motor skills and my brain probably is incapable of spending the time in learning them. I remember pwning my dad in N64, while I watched him turn in circles. Further, when you get to your 40s and some "new tech" comes out (like these VR headsets), you have to take a gamble. Is this yet another fad, like the last time ... or is this going to stick around. You have far less time than some teenager to go figure out how things work, on top of that.

Moving to an area with more grocery stores is orders of magnitude more demanding than selecting another operating system next time you upgrade your phone or computer, though.

withinboredom 3y ago

> orders of magnitude more demanding than selecting another operating system Having switched from Apple to Microsoft Phone to Android and back to Apple ... I disagree. In that time, I've moved states and even countries. Moving is far less demanding than switching operating systems. Moving is pretty simple: you pack, move, then unpack; and you even get to keep all your stuff! Switching operating systems requires researching for similar apps, purchasing them again, potentially copying music/photo libraries using sketchy tools, hunting down tutorials for how to do things you don't know how to do, etc.

mrmanner 3y ago
I don’t agree: Specifically if you live somewhere with only a single food store, there’s a decent likelihood that you’re either heavily invested in the area (farming, forestry, …) or that you can’t afford to live anywhere else. More generally, moving means leaving friends, forcing kids to change schools, and if moving far, learning new laws and customs. Not to mention that packing and moving all that stuff takes days and/or costs thousands of moneys. Extracting files from Google Drive and iCloud is a pain, but is it _that_ bad?
- withinboredom 3y ago
  > More generally, moving means leaving friends, forcing kids to change schools, and if moving far, learning new laws and customs. Moving the goalpost are we? Sure, if you keep moving it far enough, long enough, then yeah, you'll find a set of conditions where this is no longer true (such as having a family, friends, changing schools, etc). > Extracting files from Google Drive and iCloud is a pain, but is it _that_ bad? I take it you haven't done it. Put your money where your mouth is and just switch. It's that easy, right?
  - bmicraft 3y ago
    If you're moving far enough to have "access to other supermarkets" you by definition don't have access to the same school and friends anymore
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
  - mrmanner 3y ago
    > It's that easy, right? I've used... six mobile operating systems in the last ten years. Some learnings: 1. There are cross-platform alternatives for file storage. Consider using them for important things. 2. For work things and organized volunteerism you'll use the tools of the company/organization anyway. 3. Backups help when migrating. You need backups anyway, so make use of them. 4. Only migrate things you actually care about. Screenshots from last year or that draft email to the electrician who installed your fridge? Let them burn
PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
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- withinboredom 3y ago
  Sprinting is def harder than running for 2 hours. I used to run 5-12 miles (8-19 km) in a single session, every week. I still got winded doing sprints.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    well it's a good thing I didn't say sprinting then isn't it?
- filoleg 3y ago
  Agreed. I did the apple-android-apple switch multiple times. At worst, it took me a day of transferring data and making sure all works the way it is supposed to, and then a week or two getting used to the UIUX (because each switch had multiple years in-between). That's quite nothing. My move back from west coast to east coast of the US recently was way more demanding and taxing in every single way, even if we exclude monetary factors entirely. Moving countries would've been multiple magnitudes even more complex than that. Did that once almost 15 years ago, so I have a basic idea of how difficult it can get. It wasn't even that difficult at all compared to most cases. Doubly ridiculous to hear people trying to compare moving cities to switching between iOS and Android.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago

Asking my grandma to switch operating systems would be like asking her to start using a new language she doesn't understand as her primary. Meanwhile, she's moved twice in my lifetime. I actually suspect most people move more often than they switch operating systems, and do so more times in their life, too.

Aaargh20318 3y ago
> Asking my grandma to switch operating systems would be like asking her to start using a new language she doesn't understand as her primary. I hate this rhetoric that old people are stupid and are intrinsically incapable of understanding modern technology. Computers and cell phones didn't pop into existence overnight. The first home computers entered the market in the late 70's and became commonplace in the 80's. If your grandma is in her 80's now, she was in her 40's back then. None of us had to learn these things overnight and tech was much simpler back then. All she had to do was keep up with what was happening in society. If anything, all this is more complicated for kids as they weren't eased into it like us older folks were. Same goes for cellphones. They got common in the 90's and it took decades for them to get to the point that they are basically supercomputers you can put in your pocket. This is nothing like asking your grandma to start using a new language she doesn't understand. This is more like your grandma stubbornly refusing to learn the meaning of new words introduced into the English language since the 80s. This is about being wilfully disconnected from society. This is not about an inability to learn but an unwillingness. This is not an age thing, to get to the point where switching cellphone OSes is an impossible task you had to have checked out decades ago. It has nothing to do with age and everything with apathy and laziness.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  My kid will simply kill me outright in using a phone as a controller. I never learned those motor skills and my brain probably is incapable of spending the time in learning them. I remember pwning my dad in N64, while I watched him turn in circles. Further, when you get to your 40s and some "new tech" comes out (like these VR headsets), you have to take a gamble. Is this yet another fad, like the last time ... or is this going to stick around. You have far less time than some teenager to go figure out how things work, on top of that.