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There are no other terms friend, that is the only thing that matters. Who decides what is "extreme"? This is a very tedious tactic to force values unto others a

There are no other terms friend, that is the only thing that matters. Who decides what is "extreme"? This is a very tedious tactic to force values unto others and ruin any possibility of intelligent conversation. Just making a salad of it all. What people (especially the "extreme far lefties" overrunning this website and mindlessly downvoting everyone and thing they are instructed to dislike) fail to understand that filtering information about far away places through the media divorces you almost completely from reality. A lot of his antics are political theatre. To parse out what he means you'd actually have to be a local and know a lot of history. There is simply no avoiding the fact that previous Argentine governments have robbed the population blind. I'm talking scandal after scandal of the duffel bags filled with cash verity. It is almost beyond the comprehension of a westerner from a developed country. Look into Peronism (!= socialism) sometimes. Quoting him out of context makes for great clickbait and strips it of all meaning. Normal people over there are concerned with literally not starving at the moment, these social issues that are oh-so-important to you don't really rank. But hey, if someone has no clue why they might want to attempt dollarization of course they'd prefer to focus on and project their pet domestic issue. It is also super obvious that this thread would not be flagged and erased from the front page if the news was negative. Which is doubly pathetic because he truly is not what the downvoters imagine him to be. Good guy or bad not for me to say, but simply does not fit the regular boxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Who decides what is "extreme"? Extreme doesn’t mean bad, it just means at an end of a distribution. > the "extreme far lefties" overruning this website Hacker News is, in general, badly described as even leftist. Centre-left, maybe, but with significant variance. > filtering information about far away places through the media divorces you almost completely from reality Sorry, this is bullshit. If you pick garbage media, sure. Otherwise, unless you have agency contacts in the country, you’re trawling through an unrepresentative sample of anecdotes. What you’re saying with this statement, in essence, is that your arguments are unassailable with data or reporting. That obviously undermines your own credibility. For what it’s worth, the international financial press has been cautiously supportive of most of Milei’s policies. And increasingly so since he’s taken office. But Milei’s policies depend, in large part, on international investors seeing Argentina as investable. If you’re saying he is inscrutable except by select internet commenters such as yourself, his policies will fail. > lot of his antics are political theatre Most politics is theatre. It’s fair to describe his views as expressed, whether antics or not. > Quoting him out of context Milei’s anarcho-capitalist views are not quoted out of context. > Normal people over there are concerned with literally not starving Sure. That doesn’t change what he’s said. (And what he’s said doesn’t change the sensibility, in my opinion, of his policy positions.) I also wouldn’t hold up Argentina’s voters as knowledgeable about economics. They got themselves into this mess in fair elections after all.
- verticalscaler 3y ago
  > Hacker News is, in general, badly described as even leftist. Centre-left, maybe, but with significant variance. Sure, but you very well know exactly which crowd brigadiers. There's a reason why this thread has been disappeared. Above there is a comment "That is what decades of socialism does to a country." that initially was downvoted to hell. Try it yourself sometime, politely. Or peek at any thread vaguely related to Elon, 'etc, for the overt seething passive-aggressiveness nonsense. > Extreme doesn’t mean bad, it just means at an end of a distribution. To you and I. Sadly in the present day media space when any view is described as far-right or far-left it is typically as a sort of slur and target for wrong think. > Sure. That doesn’t change what he’s said. (And what he’s said doesn’t change the sensibility, in my opinion, of his policy positions.) > I also wouldn’t hold up Argentina’s voters as knowledgeable about economics. They got themselves into this mess in fair elections after all. That is a very unique story many decades in the making. And once they are in this mess it is difficult to get out. So their political discourse, out of context, does not translate correctly.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > there is a comment "That is what decades of socialism does to a country." that initially was downvoted to hell Because it’s incoherent. The comment it responded to cited the cost of these reforms. It was a no free lunch statement. Responding with a thoughtless meme adds nothing to the discussion. > To you and I. Sadly in the present day media space We’re the ones discussing. Railing against a disembodied media is incredibly corrosive to one’s credibility. Especially when it’s incorrect: the term “extreme” is regularly used as praise.
    - verticalscaler 3y ago
      No sir, because tankies don't like such remarks. > We’re the ones discussing. This thread was on the front page before being disappeared prior to any even remotely objectionable comments were made. To experience the phenomena yourself you are welcome to politely try a few times and say something lefty ideologues don't approve of in some other thread. > For what it’s worth, the international financial press has been cautiously supportive of most of Milei’s policies. And increasingly so since he’s taken office. But Milei’s policies depend, in large part, on international investors seeing Argentina as investable. If you’re saying he is inscrutable except by select internet commenters such as yourself, his policies will fail. I never said he is inscrutable. I said it requires some additional effort to understand. Step outside the international financial press that you find reasonable and observe in what terms he is discussed elsewhere and whether or not they are focusing on understanding the financial challenges of Argentina and its history or redirect the conversation elsewhere.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Who decides what is "extreme"? Extreme doesn’t mean bad, it just means at an end of a distribution. > the "extreme far lefties" overruning this website Hacker News is, in general, badly described as even leftist. Centre-left, maybe, but with significant variance. > filtering information about far away places through the media divorces you almost completely from reality Sorry, this is bullshit. If you pick garbage media, sure. Otherwise, unless you have agency contacts in the country, you’re trawling through an unrepresentative sample of anecdotes. What you’re saying with this statement, in essence, is that your arguments are unassailable with data or reporting. That obviously undermines your own credibility. For what it’s worth, the international financial press has been cautiously supportive of most of Milei’s policies. And increasingly so since he’s taken office. But Milei’s policies depend, in large part, on international investors seeing Argentina as investable. If you’re saying he is inscrutable except by select internet commenters such as yourself, his policies will fail. > lot of his antics are political theatre Most politics is theatre. It’s fair to describe his views as expressed, whether antics or not. > Quoting him out of context Milei’s anarcho-capitalist views are not quoted out of context. > Normal people over there are concerned with literally not starving Sure. That doesn’t change what he’s said. (And what he’s said doesn’t change the sensibility, in my opinion, of his policy positions.) I also wouldn’t hold up Argentina’s voters as knowledgeable about economics. They got themselves into this mess in fair elections after all.

verticalscaler 3y ago
> Hacker News is, in general, badly described as even leftist. Centre-left, maybe, but with significant variance. Sure, but you very well know exactly which crowd brigadiers. There's a reason why this thread has been disappeared. Above there is a comment "That is what decades of socialism does to a country." that initially was downvoted to hell. Try it yourself sometime, politely. Or peek at any thread vaguely related to Elon, 'etc, for the overt seething passive-aggressiveness nonsense. > Extreme doesn’t mean bad, it just means at an end of a distribution. To you and I. Sadly in the present day media space when any view is described as far-right or far-left it is typically as a sort of slur and target for wrong think. > Sure. That doesn’t change what he’s said. (And what he’s said doesn’t change the sensibility, in my opinion, of his policy positions.) > I also wouldn’t hold up Argentina’s voters as knowledgeable about economics. They got themselves into this mess in fair elections after all. That is a very unique story many decades in the making. And once they are in this mess it is difficult to get out. So their political discourse, out of context, does not translate correctly.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > there is a comment "That is what decades of socialism does to a country." that initially was downvoted to hell Because it’s incoherent. The comment it responded to cited the cost of these reforms. It was a no free lunch statement. Responding with a thoughtless meme adds nothing to the discussion. > To you and I. Sadly in the present day media space We’re the ones discussing. Railing against a disembodied media is incredibly corrosive to one’s credibility. Especially when it’s incorrect: the term “extreme” is regularly used as praise.
  - verticalscaler 3y ago
    No sir, because tankies don't like such remarks. > We’re the ones discussing. This thread was on the front page before being disappeared prior to any even remotely objectionable comments were made. To experience the phenomena yourself you are welcome to politely try a few times and say something lefty ideologues don't approve of in some other thread. > For what it’s worth, the international financial press has been cautiously supportive of most of Milei’s policies. And increasingly so since he’s taken office. But Milei’s policies depend, in large part, on international investors seeing Argentina as investable. If you’re saying he is inscrutable except by select internet commenters such as yourself, his policies will fail. I never said he is inscrutable. I said it requires some additional effort to understand. Step outside the international financial press that you find reasonable and observe in what terms he is discussed elsewhere and whether or not they are focusing on understanding the financial challenges of Argentina and its history or redirect the conversation elsewhere.