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From the article: "January was the first full month in office for Milei, a far-right libertarian who took office in December, and it ended with a positive ba

From the article: "January was the first full month in office for Milei, a far-right libertarian who took office in December, and it ended with a positive balance for public-sector finances of $589 million at the official exchange rate, the government said late Friday." He isn't a far-right anything and this phrasing taints the article and subsequent discussion. I urge commentators to please not project your domestic politics into one of the weirdest countries in the world. Especially if you have never been there. After spending some months exploring that place and interacting with all manner of folks "There are 4 kind of economies: developed, undeveloped, Japan and Argentina" is one of the truest things I've ever heard in my life. It just doesn't map to anything you're familiar with. The system there is extremely broken and corrupt and has been since before you were born. It is going through a chaotic reset. They might dollarize. I think they should and definitely wish them the best. Completely orthogonal to social policies I know many on this website might have a problem with.

vstrava 3y ago
>He isn't a far-right anything Libertarian anarcho-capitalist memes aside. Save everyone some time, and just own and embrace the shitty people the ideology creates
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> isn't a far-right anything In terms of policies enacted thus far, I have to agree. That said, Milei’s anarcho-capitalist views are fairly described as extreme, as are his anti-abortion views, though he’s also a liberal on drugs, guns, same-sex marriage, prostitution and gender identity, and seeks a closer alliance with North America and Europe’s democracies over Russia and China.
- verticalscaler 3y ago
  There are no other terms friend, that is the only thing that matters. Who decides what is "extreme"? This is a very tedious tactic to force values unto others and ruin any possibility of intelligent conversation. Just making a salad of it all. What people (especially the "extreme far lefties" overrunning this website and mindlessly downvoting everyone and thing they are instructed to dislike) fail to understand that filtering information about far away places through the media divorces you almost completely from reality. A lot of his antics are political theatre. To parse out what he means you'd actually have to be a local and know a lot of history. There is simply no avoiding the fact that previous Argentine governments have robbed the population blind. I'm talking scandal after scandal of the duffel bags filled with cash verity. It is almost beyond the comprehension of a westerner from a developed country. Look into Peronism (!= socialism) sometimes. Quoting him out of context makes for great clickbait and strips it of all meaning. Normal people over there are concerned with literally not starving at the moment, these social issues that are oh-so-important to you don't really rank. But hey, if someone has no clue why they might want to attempt dollarization of course they'd prefer to focus on and project their pet domestic issue. It is also super obvious that this thread would not be flagged and erased from the front page if the news was negative. Which is doubly pathetic because he truly is not what the downvoters imagine him to be. Good guy or bad not for me to say, but simply does not fit the regular boxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Who decides what is "extreme"? Extreme doesn’t mean bad, it just means at an end of a distribution. > the "extreme far lefties" overruning this website Hacker News is, in general, badly described as even leftist. Centre-left, maybe, but with significant variance. > filtering information about far away places through the media divorces you almost completely from reality Sorry, this is bullshit. If you pick garbage media, sure. Otherwise, unless you have agency contacts in the country, you’re trawling through an unrepresentative sample of anecdotes. What you’re saying with this statement, in essence, is that your arguments are unassailable with data or reporting. That obviously undermines your own credibility. For what it’s worth, the international financial press has been cautiously supportive of most of Milei’s policies. And increasingly so since he’s taken office. But Milei’s policies depend, in large part, on international investors seeing Argentina as investable. If you’re saying he is inscrutable except by select internet commenters such as yourself, his policies will fail. > lot of his antics are political theatre Most politics is theatre. It’s fair to describe his views as expressed, whether antics or not. > Quoting him out of context Milei’s anarcho-capitalist views are not quoted out of context. > Normal people over there are concerned with literally not starving Sure. That doesn’t change what he’s said. (And what he’s said doesn’t change the sensibility, in my opinion, of his policy positions.) I also wouldn’t hold up Argentina’s voters as knowledgeable about economics. They got themselves into this mess in fair elections after all.
    - verticalscaler 3y ago
      > Hacker News is, in general, badly described as even leftist. Centre-left, maybe, but with significant variance. Sure, but you very well know exactly which crowd brigadiers. There's a reason why this thread has been disappeared. Above there is a comment "That is what decades of socialism does to a country." that initially was downvoted to hell. Try it yourself sometime, politely. Or peek at any thread vaguely related to Elon, 'etc, for the overt seething passive-aggressiveness nonsense. > Extreme doesn’t mean bad, it just means at an end of a distribution. To you and I. Sadly in the present day media space when any view is described as far-right or far-left it is typically as a sort of slur and target for wrong think. > Sure. That doesn’t change what he’s said. (And what he’s said doesn’t change the sensibility, in my opinion, of his policy positions.) > I also wouldn’t hold up Argentina’s voters as knowledgeable about economics. They got themselves into this mess in fair elections after all. That is a very unique story many decades in the making. And once they are in this mess it is difficult to get out. So their political discourse, out of context, does not translate correctly.
- xiphias2 3y ago
  I believe radical is a better wording than extreme, as the goal of Milei's politics is trying to make life better through a non-violent manner for all non-corrupt citizens. Even Milei knows it that he's running an experiment, and he doesn't deny it. While it's extreme politics as well, that word is mostly used for violent politics that try to gain advantage for a group of people while bringing suffering to another big group of people.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > While it's extreme politics as well, that word is mostly used for violent politics Extreme vs extremist. Subtle difference. Chemotherapy is an extreme measure.
- Ancapistani 3y ago
  I’m an anarcho-capitalist, and agree that “extreme” is a fair way to describe the perspective.
  - verticalscaler 3y ago
    lol

vstrava 3y ago

>He isn't a far-right anything Libertarian anarcho-capitalist memes aside. Save everyone some time, and just own and embrace the shitty people the ideology creates

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> isn't a far-right anything In terms of policies enacted thus far, I have to agree. That said, Milei’s anarcho-capitalist views are fairly described as extreme, as are his anti-abortion views, though he’s also a liberal on drugs, guns, same-sex marriage, prostitution and gender identity, and seeks a closer alliance with North America and Europe’s democracies over Russia and China.

verticalscaler 3y ago
There are no other terms friend, that is the only thing that matters. Who decides what is "extreme"? This is a very tedious tactic to force values unto others and ruin any possibility of intelligent conversation. Just making a salad of it all. What people (especially the "extreme far lefties" overrunning this website and mindlessly downvoting everyone and thing they are instructed to dislike) fail to understand that filtering information about far away places through the media divorces you almost completely from reality. A lot of his antics are political theatre. To parse out what he means you'd actually have to be a local and know a lot of history. There is simply no avoiding the fact that previous Argentine governments have robbed the population blind. I'm talking scandal after scandal of the duffel bags filled with cash verity. It is almost beyond the comprehension of a westerner from a developed country. Look into Peronism (!= socialism) sometimes. Quoting him out of context makes for great clickbait and strips it of all meaning. Normal people over there are concerned with literally not starving at the moment, these social issues that are oh-so-important to you don't really rank. But hey, if someone has no clue why they might want to attempt dollarization of course they'd prefer to focus on and project their pet domestic issue. It is also super obvious that this thread would not be flagged and erased from the front page if the news was negative. Which is doubly pathetic because he truly is not what the downvoters imagine him to be. Good guy or bad not for me to say, but simply does not fit the regular boxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Who decides what is "extreme"? Extreme doesn’t mean bad, it just means at an end of a distribution. > the "extreme far lefties" overruning this website Hacker News is, in general, badly described as even leftist. Centre-left, maybe, but with significant variance. > filtering information about far away places through the media divorces you almost completely from reality Sorry, this is bullshit. If you pick garbage media, sure. Otherwise, unless you have agency contacts in the country, you’re trawling through an unrepresentative sample of anecdotes. What you’re saying with this statement, in essence, is that your arguments are unassailable with data or reporting. That obviously undermines your own credibility. For what it’s worth, the international financial press has been cautiously supportive of most of Milei’s policies. And increasingly so since he’s taken office. But Milei’s policies depend, in large part, on international investors seeing Argentina as investable. If you’re saying he is inscrutable except by select internet commenters such as yourself, his policies will fail. > lot of his antics are political theatre Most politics is theatre. It’s fair to describe his views as expressed, whether antics or not. > Quoting him out of context Milei’s anarcho-capitalist views are not quoted out of context. > Normal people over there are concerned with literally not starving Sure. That doesn’t change what he’s said. (And what he’s said doesn’t change the sensibility, in my opinion, of his policy positions.) I also wouldn’t hold up Argentina’s voters as knowledgeable about economics. They got themselves into this mess in fair elections after all.
  - verticalscaler 3y ago
    > Hacker News is, in general, badly described as even leftist. Centre-left, maybe, but with significant variance. Sure, but you very well know exactly which crowd brigadiers. There's a reason why this thread has been disappeared. Above there is a comment "That is what decades of socialism does to a country." that initially was downvoted to hell. Try it yourself sometime, politely. Or peek at any thread vaguely related to Elon, 'etc, for the overt seething passive-aggressiveness nonsense. > Extreme doesn’t mean bad, it just means at an end of a distribution. To you and I. Sadly in the present day media space when any view is described as far-right or far-left it is typically as a sort of slur and target for wrong think. > Sure. That doesn’t change what he’s said. (And what he’s said doesn’t change the sensibility, in my opinion, of his policy positions.) > I also wouldn’t hold up Argentina’s voters as knowledgeable about economics. They got themselves into this mess in fair elections after all. That is a very unique story many decades in the making. And once they are in this mess it is difficult to get out. So their political discourse, out of context, does not translate correctly.
xiphias2 3y ago
I believe radical is a better wording than extreme, as the goal of Milei's politics is trying to make life better through a non-violent manner for all non-corrupt citizens. Even Milei knows it that he's running an experiment, and he doesn't deny it. While it's extreme politics as well, that word is mostly used for violent politics that try to gain advantage for a group of people while bringing suffering to another big group of people.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > While it's extreme politics as well, that word is mostly used for violent politics Extreme vs extremist. Subtle difference. Chemotherapy is an extreme measure.
Ancapistani 3y ago
I’m an anarcho-capitalist, and agree that “extreme” is a fair way to describe the perspective.
- verticalscaler 3y ago
  lol