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No, I use iOS and friends in part because I want good, well-made apps that work well and integrate into the OS well - and not poorly made webapps that don't hav

No, I use iOS and friends in part because I want good, well-made apps that work well and integrate into the OS well - and not poorly made webapps that don't have an address bar. To that end I dislike all the faux-native iOS apps that are just a webview with a menu. It's always quite obvious when people do that. So even if I would've known about HSWAs being a thing (and not just "bookmarks on the home screen", which is approximately the exact same thing, but with an address bar), I wouldn't have cared to use them. Like evidently 99.99% of people. Yes, every thread on this has one or two people saying how badly this impacts them, yet, they are always vague about what these were used for. I have yet to see a single concrete example.

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szasamasa 3y ago
there are poorly made native apps too there is a fix number of good programmers... these good programmers can create the exact same wonderful interactive pixels on your screen whether they use native or web tech, if web tech is allowed it is the decision of the developers what they use and offer to you but again, if good developers migrate to become good web programmers in the future that you fear then you become good web apps from them, you will not even know the difference currently, most good programmers use native languages because Apple restricts even now web tech and good programmers are payed to program in swift you can chill since those websites and web apps you see bad were made by bad programmers not because web tech is inferior... you know, js just instructs native browsers that are native apps so actually web tech can be just the same (with better security if you use secure browsers) if 1 million programmers create native apps and half is bad half is great and you really see a discrepancy in native vs. web itis simply because more bad than great programmers are currently "designing" web sites good programmers will not be forced to use web tech and fail to deleiver good UX :)
- ufocia 3y ago
  It's apparent that by good you mean skillful and not benevolent. However, even skillful programmers write bad code especially when under time and budget constraints.
mmcnl 3y ago
Everything is a trade-off. You can't publish native apps without Apple's 30% tax for example.

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szasamasa 3y ago

there are poorly made native apps too there is a fix number of good programmers... these good programmers can create the exact same wonderful interactive pixels on your screen whether they use native or web tech, if web tech is allowed it is the decision of the developers what they use and offer to you but again, if good developers migrate to become good web programmers in the future that you fear then you become good web apps from them, you will not even know the difference currently, most good programmers use native languages because Apple restricts even now web tech and good programmers are payed to program in swift you can chill since those websites and web apps you see bad were made by bad programmers not because web tech is inferior... you know, js just instructs native browsers that are native apps so actually web tech can be just the same (with better security if you use secure browsers) if 1 million programmers create native apps and half is bad half is great and you really see a discrepancy in native vs. web itis simply because more bad than great programmers are currently "designing" web sites good programmers will not be forced to use web tech and fail to deleiver good UX :)

ufocia 3y ago
It's apparent that by good you mean skillful and not benevolent. However, even skillful programmers write bad code especially when under time and budget constraints.

mmcnl 3y ago

Everything is a trade-off. You can't publish native apps without Apple's 30% tax for example.