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That's because... everything was made from de beginning to push people to go to the App Store.

formerly_proven 3y ago
No, I use iOS and friends in part because I want good, well-made apps that work well and integrate into the OS well - and not poorly made webapps that don't have an address bar. To that end I dislike all the faux-native iOS apps that are just a webview with a menu. It's always quite obvious when people do that. So even if I would've known about HSWAs being a thing (and not just "bookmarks on the home screen", which is approximately the exact same thing, but with an address bar), I wouldn't have cared to use them. Like evidently 99.99% of people. Yes, every thread on this has one or two people saying how badly this impacts them, yet, they are always vague about what these were used for. I have yet to see a single concrete example.
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- szasamasa 3y ago
  there are poorly made native apps too there is a fix number of good programmers... these good programmers can create the exact same wonderful interactive pixels on your screen whether they use native or web tech, if web tech is allowed it is the decision of the developers what they use and offer to you but again, if good developers migrate to become good web programmers in the future that you fear then you become good web apps from them, you will not even know the difference currently, most good programmers use native languages because Apple restricts even now web tech and good programmers are payed to program in swift you can chill since those websites and web apps you see bad were made by bad programmers not because web tech is inferior... you know, js just instructs native browsers that are native apps so actually web tech can be just the same (with better security if you use secure browsers) if 1 million programmers create native apps and half is bad half is great and you really see a discrepancy in native vs. web itis simply because more bad than great programmers are currently "designing" web sites good programmers will not be forced to use web tech and fail to deleiver good UX :)
  - ufocia 3y ago
    It's apparent that by good you mean skillful and not benevolent. However, even skillful programmers write bad code especially when under time and budget constraints.
- mmcnl 3y ago
  Everything is a trade-off. You can't publish native apps without Apple's 30% tax for example.
zer00eyz 3y ago
The same subset of people who just go to the App Store just take their car to the dealership for oil changes (a lot) As tech people we tend to see through apples "dealer" bullshit, just like car people.
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- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
  Is there a way that I can not like the same things that you like without you thinking that I’m not smart?
  - ffsm8 3y ago
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    - ufocia 3y ago
      You too can get off this train rather than play the victim with ad hominem attacks.
      - ffsm8 3y ago
        It seems you're using words you don't know the meaning of. Please educate yourself before making such statements, unless you enjoy looking... quiet dumb. > Ad hominem means “against the man,” and this type of fallacy is sometimes called name calling or the personal attack fallacy. This type of fallacy occurs when someone attacks the person instead of attacking his or her argument. I literally said in my comment that the person I was responding to didn't actually articulate an opinion (nor any argument for that matter), as such, this is inapplicable. ...play the victim? Please enlighten me, where exactly did I do that...?
adestefan 3y ago
The App Store didn’t even exist until the iPhone 3G. Everything was suppose to be a web app until everyone, including HN, bitched about the lack of native apps. Now here you all are 15 years later bemoaning what you have helped create.
- torlok 3y ago
  The obvious solution is to have both. Also, HTML5 at the beginning was much less feature-rich than it is now.
- fireflash38 3y ago
  Do you think "apps" that are just webviews count as a native app?
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  And yet web apps have NEVER been able to do the things native apps could, in fifteen years. That argument doesn't make sense.

No, I use iOS and friends in part because I want good, well-made apps that work well and integrate into the OS well - and not poorly made webapps that don't have an address bar. To that end I dislike all the faux-native iOS apps that are just a webview with a menu. It's always quite obvious when people do that. So even if I would've known about HSWAs being a thing (and not just "bookmarks on the home screen", which is approximately the exact same thing, but with an address bar), I wouldn't have cared to use them. Like evidently 99.99% of people. Yes, every thread on this has one or two people saying how badly this impacts them, yet, they are always vague about what these were used for. I have yet to see a single concrete example.

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szasamasa 3y ago
there are poorly made native apps too there is a fix number of good programmers... these good programmers can create the exact same wonderful interactive pixels on your screen whether they use native or web tech, if web tech is allowed it is the decision of the developers what they use and offer to you but again, if good developers migrate to become good web programmers in the future that you fear then you become good web apps from them, you will not even know the difference currently, most good programmers use native languages because Apple restricts even now web tech and good programmers are payed to program in swift you can chill since those websites and web apps you see bad were made by bad programmers not because web tech is inferior... you know, js just instructs native browsers that are native apps so actually web tech can be just the same (with better security if you use secure browsers) if 1 million programmers create native apps and half is bad half is great and you really see a discrepancy in native vs. web itis simply because more bad than great programmers are currently "designing" web sites good programmers will not be forced to use web tech and fail to deleiver good UX :)
- ufocia 3y ago
  It's apparent that by good you mean skillful and not benevolent. However, even skillful programmers write bad code especially when under time and budget constraints.
mmcnl 3y ago
Everything is a trade-off. You can't publish native apps without Apple's 30% tax for example.

zer00eyz 3y ago

The same subset of people who just go to the App Store just take their car to the dealership for oil changes (a lot) As tech people we tend to see through apples "dealer" bullshit, just like car people.

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cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
Is there a way that I can not like the same things that you like without you thinking that I’m not smart?
- ffsm8 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - ufocia 3y ago
    You too can get off this train rather than play the victim with ad hominem attacks.
    - ffsm8 3y ago
      It seems you're using words you don't know the meaning of. Please educate yourself before making such statements, unless you enjoy looking... quiet dumb. > Ad hominem means “against the man,” and this type of fallacy is sometimes called name calling or the personal attack fallacy. This type of fallacy occurs when someone attacks the person instead of attacking his or her argument. I literally said in my comment that the person I was responding to didn't actually articulate an opinion (nor any argument for that matter), as such, this is inapplicable. ...play the victim? Please enlighten me, where exactly did I do that...?

adestefan 3y ago

The App Store didn’t even exist until the iPhone 3G. Everything was suppose to be a web app until everyone, including HN, bitched about the lack of native apps. Now here you all are 15 years later bemoaning what you have helped create.

torlok 3y ago
The obvious solution is to have both. Also, HTML5 at the beginning was much less feature-rich than it is now.
fireflash38 3y ago
Do you think "apps" that are just webviews count as a native app?
FireBeyond 3y ago
And yet web apps have NEVER been able to do the things native apps could, in fifteen years. That argument doesn't make sense.