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Sounds like a problem for a land tax. If cars make more money than homes and businesses, go for it.

apsurd 3y ago
you really think so? i get the free market angle, but what about the local optimum risk? People want parking because they need parking. and they need parking because they need cars because everything's unwalkable because there's too much parking...
- infecto 3y ago
  Yes get rid of minimums but really the first step here is having better public transportation.
malermeister 3y ago
Trying to shoehorn a market into everything is not necessarily a good thing. I'd prefer housing for low income folks over parking for rich tech dudes.
- HPsquared 3y ago
  Ideally, parking for low income folks.
- infecto 3y ago
  I am sure we all have different views here but parking maximums seems to discriminate the most towards low income folks as you would classify them. Those who are not working normal 9-5 or have employment that does not follow the Bart stops.
ildjarn 3y ago
But there is a side mission to reduce car dependency.
zozbot234 3y ago
Too many cars will just add to congestion and make the surrounding spaces less desirable. You could address this with a congestion charge, but that has problems of its own. Limits to parking in some key spots around transit can then be a workable alternative.
- nemo44x 3y ago
  Just because I have a car doesn’t mean I intend to drive it in the city. There’s a whole world out there and a lot to do that requires a car. So if I live by a train that’s good for commuting to the city I’m now stuck only doing that? What about the many things I do that have nothing to do with that?
  - zozbot234 3y ago
    You can keep your car parked elsewhere and get to it via a folding bike or stand-up scooter.
    - nemo44x 3y ago
      What about all the things I have to haul? What if I don’t want to ride a bike or the weather is bad? What if I have kids? There’s a million reasons your solution is awful.
      - zozbot234 3y ago
        Oh yes, cargo bikes are a thing too. And people do ride bikes in bad weather, especially in a place like Berkeley.
      - tekla 3y ago
        > What about all the things I have to haul? Rent a car. Millions of people do it just fine > What if I don’t want to ride a bike Deal with it > the weather is bad Deal with it > What if I have kids Kids ride bikes just fine.
        3y ago

you really think so? i get the free market angle, but what about the local optimum risk? People want parking because they need parking. and they need parking because they need cars because everything's unwalkable because there's too much parking...

infecto 3y ago
Yes get rid of minimums but really the first step here is having better public transportation.

malermeister 3y ago

Trying to shoehorn a market into everything is not necessarily a good thing. I'd prefer housing for low income folks over parking for rich tech dudes.

HPsquared 3y ago
Ideally, parking for low income folks.
infecto 3y ago
I am sure we all have different views here but parking maximums seems to discriminate the most towards low income folks as you would classify them. Those who are not working normal 9-5 or have employment that does not follow the Bart stops.

ildjarn 3y ago

But there is a side mission to reduce car dependency.

zozbot234 3y ago

Too many cars will just add to congestion and make the surrounding spaces less desirable. You could address this with a congestion charge, but that has problems of its own. Limits to parking in some key spots around transit can then be a workable alternative.

nemo44x 3y ago
Just because I have a car doesn’t mean I intend to drive it in the city. There’s a whole world out there and a lot to do that requires a car. So if I live by a train that’s good for commuting to the city I’m now stuck only doing that? What about the many things I do that have nothing to do with that?
- zozbot234 3y ago
  You can keep your car parked elsewhere and get to it via a folding bike or stand-up scooter.
  - nemo44x 3y ago
    What about all the things I have to haul? What if I don’t want to ride a bike or the weather is bad? What if I have kids? There’s a million reasons your solution is awful.
    - zozbot234 3y ago
      Oh yes, cargo bikes are a thing too. And people do ride bikes in bad weather, especially in a place like Berkeley.
    - tekla 3y ago
      > What about all the things I have to haul? Rent a car. Millions of people do it just fine > What if I don’t want to ride a bike Deal with it > the weather is bad Deal with it > What if I have kids Kids ride bikes just fine.
      - 3y ago