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Forget Animated movies we are fast moving towards a world where acting jobs can be eliminated from movies. I think the latest sora shows that all background act

Forget Animated movies we are fast moving towards a world where acting jobs can be eliminated from movies. I think the latest sora shows that all background acting jobs can soon be eliminated how long after will they come for the main parts.

ozim 3y ago
There already was a discussion somewhere about no more new main actors. Why would studio executives bet on some new talent when they can generate Bruce Willis, John Depp or already put their faces on some less known actors in convincing way. Then they make a reboot of a reboot of previous generation movies and it rolls ad infitum.
- dvngnt_ 3y ago
  because people connect with human actors more than AI constructs for non-animated films
  - gmerc 3y ago
    citation needed.
  - ekianjo 3y ago
    human actors end up as 2d pixels on a screen so its not clear there is a huge difference in the end. but maybe a good point is that live performance may make a come back.
- tempaccount1234 3y ago
  Assuming you’d want to watch that. There’s already too many movies and people get bored watching more of the same. If thanks to AI there’s a flood of cheaper mediocre movies content it could kill the remaining excitement.
  - nox101 3y ago
    You can choose your favorite actors/characters/avatars and have the AI re-render the story featuring these people. Watch Lord of the Rings with all the hobbits replaced by Bratz dolls or your favorite K-pop girl band.
    - incrudible 3y ago
      That is fun for like five minutes.
- jedberg 3y ago
  > Why would studio executives bet on some new talent when they can generate Bruce Willis, John Depp or already put their faces on some less known actors in convincing way Because AI Willis can't sign autographs, do press tours, and get randomly sighted by fans. Hollywood is about more than just content, it's about cult of personality, and to have that, you need a living person.
  - saiya-jin 3y ago
    Why couldn't it? Imagine doing some Comic Con 45 min special with your virtual actor. Yes its not the same fame, but people will adjust quickly. If they mix together good voice recognition in real time they can do press conferences rather easily, its just about gluing well together already existing pieces. There may be hilarious glitches from time to time, but who cares? No real fame was achieved about stupid stuff like opening restaurants or random sights in the town, I think we as society can easily live without that.
    - crooked-v 3y ago
      We already have that, though - the Gorillaz, Hatsune Miku, etc. They've had success, but not nearly enough to drive any kind of mass-market adoption of the concept that would displace real-life celebs from the talk show marketing circuit.
  - ozim 3y ago
    I would argue that for 90% of people on earth this does not make a difference. For me any big movie star is exactly the same as some virtual entity, never seen one, never been close to any places where I could meet one. There is difference where I could make effort to fly to places where they give autographs and meet with fans but I also don't care enough. I imagine people that do care about that either live close by where they can have easy access or are weirdos.
lodovic 3y ago
You are assuming that's what people want to see. We still have a long way to go before any human can be eliminated from the big screen. Issues with details such as hands and eyes are still way to obvious.
- stavros 3y ago
  How do you reconcile "issues with details such as hands and eyes" and "a long way to go"? Seems to me that "details" remaining means we're almost there.
  - Ygg2 3y ago
    Last 10% takes 90% of the time.
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  It takes hundreds of man years of various to produce even cheap looking b-movie. A-level one have easily tens of thousands of man years overall, just watch the credits on some Marvel movie and put 3-18 months of effort there. If you want to achieve almost the same for 0.1% of the cost with 1 very talented person and some computing power (or small team of talented writers/artists), it won't take long and Hollywood's business will collapse. You don't need to pay a cent to that old guy in the video. Current A-listers will slowly fade while milking their residual fame, but more importantly there won't be a next generation in same way it was till now. A major shift indeed, bigger than Hollywood ever saw. If the quality is there it will be unstoppable and unions won't make any difference, next country with more liberal laws can render very same stuff.
  - stephen_g 3y ago
    The point still stands though - if people won’t pay money to see AI generated movies but will to see human made ones, then the market doesn’t collapse. As the cost of producing it drops, AI content may come to be seen as worthless background noise to culture and verified human-made media valued.

ozim 3y ago

There already was a discussion somewhere about no more new main actors. Why would studio executives bet on some new talent when they can generate Bruce Willis, John Depp or already put their faces on some less known actors in convincing way. Then they make a reboot of a reboot of previous generation movies and it rolls ad infitum.

dvngnt_ 3y ago
because people connect with human actors more than AI constructs for non-animated films
- gmerc 3y ago
  citation needed.
- ekianjo 3y ago
  human actors end up as 2d pixels on a screen so its not clear there is a huge difference in the end. but maybe a good point is that live performance may make a come back.
tempaccount1234 3y ago
Assuming you’d want to watch that. There’s already too many movies and people get bored watching more of the same. If thanks to AI there’s a flood of cheaper mediocre movies content it could kill the remaining excitement.
- nox101 3y ago
  You can choose your favorite actors/characters/avatars and have the AI re-render the story featuring these people. Watch Lord of the Rings with all the hobbits replaced by Bratz dolls or your favorite K-pop girl band.
  - incrudible 3y ago
    That is fun for like five minutes.
jedberg 3y ago
> Why would studio executives bet on some new talent when they can generate Bruce Willis, John Depp or already put their faces on some less known actors in convincing way Because AI Willis can't sign autographs, do press tours, and get randomly sighted by fans. Hollywood is about more than just content, it's about cult of personality, and to have that, you need a living person.
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  Why couldn't it? Imagine doing some Comic Con 45 min special with your virtual actor. Yes its not the same fame, but people will adjust quickly. If they mix together good voice recognition in real time they can do press conferences rather easily, its just about gluing well together already existing pieces. There may be hilarious glitches from time to time, but who cares? No real fame was achieved about stupid stuff like opening restaurants or random sights in the town, I think we as society can easily live without that.
  - crooked-v 3y ago
    We already have that, though - the Gorillaz, Hatsune Miku, etc. They've had success, but not nearly enough to drive any kind of mass-market adoption of the concept that would displace real-life celebs from the talk show marketing circuit.
- ozim 3y ago
  I would argue that for 90% of people on earth this does not make a difference. For me any big movie star is exactly the same as some virtual entity, never seen one, never been close to any places where I could meet one. There is difference where I could make effort to fly to places where they give autographs and meet with fans but I also don't care enough. I imagine people that do care about that either live close by where they can have easy access or are weirdos.

lodovic 3y ago

You are assuming that's what people want to see. We still have a long way to go before any human can be eliminated from the big screen. Issues with details such as hands and eyes are still way to obvious.

stavros 3y ago
How do you reconcile "issues with details such as hands and eyes" and "a long way to go"? Seems to me that "details" remaining means we're almost there.
- Ygg2 3y ago
  Last 10% takes 90% of the time.
saiya-jin 3y ago
It takes hundreds of man years of various to produce even cheap looking b-movie. A-level one have easily tens of thousands of man years overall, just watch the credits on some Marvel movie and put 3-18 months of effort there. If you want to achieve almost the same for 0.1% of the cost with 1 very talented person and some computing power (or small team of talented writers/artists), it won't take long and Hollywood's business will collapse. You don't need to pay a cent to that old guy in the video. Current A-listers will slowly fade while milking their residual fame, but more importantly there won't be a next generation in same way it was till now. A major shift indeed, bigger than Hollywood ever saw. If the quality is there it will be unstoppable and unions won't make any difference, next country with more liberal laws can render very same stuff.
- stephen_g 3y ago
  The point still stands though - if people won’t pay money to see AI generated movies but will to see human made ones, then the market doesn’t collapse. As the cost of producing it drops, AI content may come to be seen as worthless background noise to culture and verified human-made media valued.