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The fear people have on NH about China is >10x worse than what real chinese people living in China feel about their own government. After living there for a whi
by max47 3y ago
The fear people have on NH about China is >10x worse than what real chinese people living in China feel about their own government. After living there for a while, the things I hear on US social media sounds like it came strait out of a South Park parody. Many of the supposedly high crimes that may get you jailed or killed (according to Americans) are the equivalent of jaywalking in New York City.
- aurareturn 3y agoExactly this. I felt extremely safe in Shenzen. More safe than I've ever been in any American city. Maximum propaganda about China in the west has done people in. But people in the west still swears that they actually have press freedom. Yet, no mainstream press will ever write anything remotely positive about China or simply daily life in China.
- phist_mcgee 3y agoWho says that feeling safe and authoritarian police states are mutually exclusive? In fact they go hand in hand, the state offers security and protection and the citizen offers up political agency and free-speech.
- sharlos201068 3y agoOf course you felt safe, you weren't publically opposing the regime.
- arp242 3y agoAnd had a US passport, which gives some protection, which also means they can just leave. It takes staggering levels of privilege to claim visiting China as a US national is the same as living there as a Chinese national. People don't understand how these authoritarian regimes work because it's so far outside of their experience. During the Nazi rule and occupation most people just continued their lives as before, especially during the first few years. What else could you do, right? And mostly, it was kind of okay. But it wasn't "safe" by any means, even for non-Jews. But people also weren't shaking with fear 24/7.
- snowpid 3y agoI know one German mainstream news paper which did it. How many news papers from the West do you read? H
- throwaway2990 3y agolol plenty of mainstream media write positivity about China. But equally they write about how terrible the CCP is because, it’s the truth.
- aurareturn 3y agoSource? Also, define “equally” in your context.
- throwaway2990 3y agoSource? Mainstream media. There’s no conspiracy saying “only post negative stuff”
- aurareturn 3y agoSo no source at all.
- pvaldes 3y ago> no mainstream press will ever write anything remotely positive daily life in China. The number of videos that westerners are receiving with positive messages about daily life in China, (or S. Korea, or Japan) on tablets, laptops or TV channels has never been so high in fact.
- pvaldes 3y ago> the things I hear on US social media sounds like it came strait out of a South Park parody. The problem is that this history in particular is indistinguishable from a South Park parody Other things said may be or not be true, but as we are talking about this history, it seems backed by solid and credible evidences.
- max47 3y agoI meant the people's reaction look like a South Park episode, not china's actions. The way they get hysterical and claim that you could spend years in jails for stupid things like having a picture of Winnie the Pooh on your phone. And it never stops, every couple of months, there is a new made up and/or exagerated thing about china that Americans are ultra confident about even if they have never been to china or talked to a Chinese person. This week for exemple, politicians (not trump this time) on tv were talking about how most Chinese migrant are ccp spies/soldiers.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoThe minority groups in China feel a lot of fear, but I'm not sure if they count as 'real chinese people' in your stats.