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7M people died from COVID so far. There is strong evidence (no definite proof though) that it was made or at least cultivated in the lab in China. Also it came

by option 3y ago

7M people died from COVID so far. There is strong evidence (no definite proof though) that it was made or at least cultivated in the lab in China. Also it came out at just at time when China didn't know what to do with pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong

consumer451 3y ago
I was only thinking of anthropogenic deaths. But hmm, the deaths in the conquest of the Americas were largely due to accidental infection. So maybe that's a blurry line. I have only heard of the biolabs theory from sources that I don't put a lot of faith in. But, I could have missed something. Could you share the best source on that?
- zdragnar 3y ago
  Several US government agencies, including the FBI: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-wray-covid-origin-likely-wuhan-labl-leak/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-wray-covid-origin-likely-... The WHO had plans to test animals and people around various locations to pinpoint the origin, but because their investigation was also going to include another look at the lab leak theory, they caved to pressure from China and abandoned the investigation: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00283-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00283-y Not evidence per se, but suspicious, and casts doubt on their earlier conclusions. There's plenty of coincidental and other high suspicious things, but if there were hard proof it wouldn't be much of a controversy.
  - consumer451 3y ago
    Thanks, forgot about the DOE. I'm not entirely discounting the lab leak theory, but WMD in Iraq were also low confidence intel. Either way, as far as action items: 1) We should tighten up all infectious disease labs AND 2) We should have higher global food standards (wet markets, etc) AND 3) Improve indoor air filtration, everywhere As far as I can tell, we've done none of those things.
Gare 3y ago
> 7M people died from COVID so far. In terms of QALYs lost War in Ukraine is most likely worse. Every premature death is a tragedy, but death of a 20 year old is much more tragic than that of an 80 year old.
- AstralStorm 3y ago
  COVID is not that picky about age, and this number above ignores the disabled by it.

by option 3y ago

consumer451 3y ago

I was only thinking of anthropogenic deaths. But hmm, the deaths in the conquest of the Americas were largely due to accidental infection. So maybe that's a blurry line. I have only heard of the biolabs theory from sources that I don't put a lot of faith in. But, I could have missed something. Could you share the best source on that?

zdragnar 3y ago
Several US government agencies, including the FBI: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-wray-covid-origin-likely-wuhan-labl-leak/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-wray-covid-origin-likely-... The WHO had plans to test animals and people around various locations to pinpoint the origin, but because their investigation was also going to include another look at the lab leak theory, they caved to pressure from China and abandoned the investigation: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00283-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00283-y Not evidence per se, but suspicious, and casts doubt on their earlier conclusions. There's plenty of coincidental and other high suspicious things, but if there were hard proof it wouldn't be much of a controversy.
- consumer451 3y ago
  Thanks, forgot about the DOE. I'm not entirely discounting the lab leak theory, but WMD in Iraq were also low confidence intel. Either way, as far as action items: 1) We should tighten up all infectious disease labs AND 2) We should have higher global food standards (wet markets, etc) AND 3) Improve indoor air filtration, everywhere As far as I can tell, we've done none of those things.

Gare 3y ago

> 7M people died from COVID so far. In terms of QALYs lost War in Ukraine is most likely worse. Every premature death is a tragedy, but death of a 20 year old is much more tragic than that of an 80 year old.

AstralStorm 3y ago
COVID is not that picky about age, and this number above ignores the disabled by it.