14 ms·
Disconnecting the Playstation 5 from Internet installs DVD games faster
- nottorp 3y agoOn the ps3 or ps4, using google's dns speeded up network downloads :) Does anyone suspect Sony of knowing how to make online services?
- gjsman-1000 3y agoWell, they seem to know better than Nintendo…
- type0 3y agothey do know how to make rootkits
- tonetegeatinst 3y agoCan I get the source for that? And any sourcecode + how they legally got away with it in court?
- prettyStandard 3y ago[flagged]
- nemomarx 3y agohttps://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/11/5514-2/ https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/11/5514-2/ it's a pretty old story at this point but you can start from here?
- causality0 3y agoWhy would you expect them to get in legal trouble? As long as it's covered in the EULA software can do whatever it wants to your computer.
- boomboomsubban 3y agoTheir rootkit famously installed even if you rejected the EULA, so they did get in trouble. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
- BiteCode_dev 3y agoIt's sad that those stories get forgotten. Like IE6, or Microsoft bullying and corruption. HP conning users with their printers. Apple iphone home button scandal. It just means bad actors can abuse clients again and again, and with a little PR and some time passing, they can get billions in without consequences.
- mortenjorck 3y agoGiven that the last one they shipped was 19 years ago, I’m not sure that expertise still exists in-house.
- astrange 3y agoThat sounds like a problem with your default DNS server, it's not like Sony provides one.
- bogantech 3y agoISP DNS can be dumb and confuse CDN geolocation. When I lived in Malmö my ISP DNS would result in Akamai CDN content being served from Stockholm rather than Copenhagen which was a lot closer and faster. When I switched to 1.1.1.1 this problem went away
- viraptor 3y agoIt's not that they're dumb, it's more that geolocation is just guessing. There will be mistakes and edge cases and setups which can't be geolocated. The only dumb part here would be providing a service where you can't override the download server. (Or relying entirely on the DNS rather than probing the speed)
- worik 3y ago> it's more that geolocation is just guessing. Does DNS care about geolocation? It measures distance in b/s dose it not?
- viraptor 3y agoYou can have DNS with different answers provided to different locations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoDNS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoDNS The issue starts when you move from your hotspot to your wifi and keep the cached results. Or your ISP has a large address pool that's used between multiple states/countries. Or the caching DNS server gets a different answer than you would get directly. Or .... It's a mess.
- worik 3y ago> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoDNS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoDNS I did not know that Is it widely used?
- Springtime 3y agoAccording to the comments there it seems the console is downloading the bulk of the game from the online servers rather than off the disc, when connected to the internet, rather than waiting for the disc installation then downloading patches. So I suppose for the users affected their connection is slower than pulling off the disc.
- ace2358 3y agoProbably due to day-1 patch :( so the disc is ‘out of date’.
- smaudet 3y agoThis is a good reason to wait for "gold" editions etc. Not sure if they still sell 'em but you would get a patched version that is actually done.
- Narishma 3y agoA bonus is that typically only good games get those 'complete' or 'director's cut' editions so you won't be wasting time on crappy games.
- asveikau 3y agoIf I were working on such a thing I'd want the patch to be downloaded as the smallest possible delta from what's on the disc.
- ben_jones 3y agoCall of Duty updates are 200gb regardless of pre existing installs. It’s absurd.
- Hamuko 3y agoSome Call of Duty discs contain basically no data at all. >Game disc only contains 1GB of data (In some regions it has even less data on disc) forcing you to download a 40+GB patch (at launch) and another 40GB of data packs in order to play the game. https://www.doesitplay.org/game/Call%20Of%20Duty%3A%20Modern%20Warfare%20II/ps4/CMOS%20Base%20PS4?region=ESRB https://www.doesitplay.org/game/Call%20Of%20Duty%3A%20Modern...
- gamepsys 3y agoMy favorite part is that installing games from the internet is technically more expensive for Sony than installing a game from the disc, because they pay a larger network transfer costs. Is there some spyware involved? Is this just incompetence? Is there another reason for this design?
- beeboobaa 3y agoSomeone probably just assumed it would be better user experience not having to patch after install. That just doesn't work out when the user's network isn't as good.
- dclowd9901 3y agoI think _in general_. Games are stupid big now.
- weebull 3y agoI'm amazed we're still on discs as physical media and not usb keys. Speed (), size, and capacity would all be greatly improved. It would be a bit like the cartridges of old. I guess it must be a cost thing. USB3.0 can theoretically do a 25GB blue ray in 50 seconds, 3.1 is half that, and 3.2 half again.
- fbdab103 3y agoAt one point, I know neither Microsoft or Sony deployed patches as binary diffs. Depending on what assets get patched, it might be faster to download the latest available version instead of installing from local disc and then patching to current as the "patch" may be similar size to fresh install.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agounless the game is legit unplayable from disc, you can get players into the game and download it in the background.
- 3y ago
- 486sx33 3y agoProbably by design to make a smaller attack surface. There are no exploits known that come from game discs on ps5. But Sony may know something we don’t. https://www.psx-place.com/threads/update-2-thefl0w-discloses-blu-ray-disc-java-sandbox-escape-vulnerabilities-ps3-ps4-ps5.37554/ https://www.psx-place.com/threads/update-2-thefl0w-discloses... https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20240205-18-year-old-vulnerability-ps5-ps4-jailbreak/ https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20240205-18-year-old-vulner...
- kevingadd 3y agoYou can still install from disc by unplugging it, though, so is it that much of a real reduction in attack surface?
- starttoaster 3y agoI agree with you that attack surface doesn't strike me as a likely answer as to why this is the way that it is. But, who is going behind their PS5 and unplugging it from the network to install a game and then plug it back in again? I don't think the majority of people will be doing that, but I have no source behind that hunch besides general human laziness.
- dotnet00 3y agoThe attack surface console makers are typically concerned about is one which the users have control over - jailbreaking the restrictive OS to customize the software, run custom software, and potentially run pirated games. So, if there were a method to do so through the disc drive, users would indeed go through the relatively minor effort of temporarily unplugging the console to force the disc to be used. Thus, what they're doing wouldn't reduce the attack surface at all.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- jeffreyames 3y agoMany people have internet speeds faster than the ps5 blu-ray drive read speeds.
- butz 3y agoBut that internet connection is usually shared between many devices. Kids watching their youtubes, wife catching up on her tv shows, washing machine uploading gigabytes of data to some unknown remote server.
- alpaca128 3y agoAnd many more don't, so it shouldn't be the default or at least automatically switched based on internet speed.
- Jare 3y agoIf the download includes a patched version of the game, the users may be better off since they'll need to download the (likely gigantic) patch anyway. But indeed it would be nice if the console asked first.
- dijit 3y agoMaybe. Maybe not.. Do you have market research to back up your claims? I would guess that your experience is less true than you think, additionally it's not just your supposed internet speed at play here, it's of course disk speed of your machine, disk speed of their machine, every hop you need to hit to get to their CDN; and then you should pray they use a CDN, those are expensive and there's no financial incentive for Sony for you to have a fast download. :) Beware the ignorance of thinking that your internet connection to your ISP is the only thing that matters regarding internet access.
- mips_r4300i 3y agoThe game as shipped on disc will generally already be out of date on launch day, with day 1 updates waiting for download. Over time these have started to comprise the bulk of the game itself. These days it makes no sense to actually copy anything off the disc when you'll have to redownload the entire (updated) build off Sony's servers. These might be the last consoles that ever have disc support.
- behringer 3y agoThat's too bad. No disc equals no buy. Own or die.
- Hamuko 3y agoI just switched over to PC gaming since I trust Valve a lot more than I trust Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony. My Steam account is 18 years old and I can still download my earliest purchase from 2005.
- _cenw 3y agoValve isn't really different, PC gaming is different. Almost all games are available via piracy, no matter if Valve still offers a game. This includes games like the recently unlisted Spec Ops The Line, where the barriers are entirely legal. Xbox people have said quite openly that the releasing everything on PC is their game preservation strategy a few times.
- PufPufPuf 3y agoThere are even better stores in this regard, like GOG or Itch.io. With those, you can just download the DRM-free installers which will work even if the store goes bankrupt tomorrow. Surprisingly many games are available, even some AAAs, not just indie stuff.
- ekianjo 3y agoyes but GOG has recently started to not respect the DRM free aspects by accepting games that have restricted online multiplayer modes. Still they are better than most other stores.
- dean2432 3y agoDVD? that's 3 generations ago
- MYEUHD 3y agoThey meant physical disc The ps5 uses bluray
- sharts 3y agoHardware companies don’t do software good.
- markus_zhang 3y agoModern AAA games are so huge that I don't even bother installing them anymore. I only play classic and indies nowadays. If I want to watch a movie I watch a movie, I don't play games to watch a bunch of movies. CPR - Completely Personal Rant: ALL modern AAA games are 80% garbage. Yeah! Downvote my however you want. I don't care how much time you spend on optimizing those engines or making those assets. I *hate* the "progress" of modern graphics programming.
- onion2k 3y agoThe Xbox Game Store has a "less than 1GB" category. It includes games you'd probably consider AAA. Certain categories of games like open world shooters are massive downloads but there's lots that aren't.
- sigmoid10 3y agoI don't think this is such a hot take. It's well known that publishers' AAA definitions are trash. Look at Ubisoft and their recent attempt at feeding people the AAAA concept to justify pricing while delivering another mediocre experience. Now everyone makes fun of them because while their game world is huge, it is still incredibly bland. If you want good experiences, you have to sift through all the marketing and propaganda first. But that doesn't necessarily mean you have to limit yourself to casual and indie games.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agowhat game are you referring to?
- joseda-hg 3y agoAAAA Games? I believe that was the term Ubisoft's CEO used for Skull and Bones, mainly to justify the 70$ price tag
- weebull 3y agoIt's also becoming very apparent that the studios can't support the level of investment their having to make to develop AAA either. A bit like the movie studios, dropping billions on titles that can only make money back if they manage to be the #1 hit of the year.
- causality0 3y agoStrictly speaking, a Blu-ray is not a DVD. I only mention it because the original author did not make the mistake but the HN submitter did.
- rldjbpin 3y agodoes ps5 use compression when downloading off the internet and not when installing from disk?