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>WW2 is the worst I hope we don't top it this century!
by DiscourseFan 3y ago
>WW2 is the worst
I hope we don't top it this century!
- consumer451 3y agoIt's hard for me to imagine us reaching ~64 million deaths aside from nukes or bioweapons. Although, we have recently sleepwalked all the way to ~168,842 dead people due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain...
- option 3y ago7M people died from COVID so far. There is strong evidence (no definite proof though) that it was made or at least cultivated in the lab in China. Also it came out at just at time when China didn't know what to do with pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong
- consumer451 3y agoI was only thinking of anthropogenic deaths. But hmm, the deaths in the conquest of the Americas were largely due to accidental infection. So maybe that's a blurry line. I have only heard of the biolabs theory from sources that I don't put a lot of faith in. But, I could have missed something. Could you share the best source on that?
- zdragnar 3y agoSeveral US government agencies, including the FBI: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-wray-covid-origin-likely-wuhan-labl-leak/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-wray-covid-origin-likely-... The WHO had plans to test animals and people around various locations to pinpoint the origin, but because their investigation was also going to include another look at the lab leak theory, they caved to pressure from China and abandoned the investigation: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00283-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00283-y Not evidence per se, but suspicious, and casts doubt on their earlier conclusions. There's plenty of coincidental and other high suspicious things, but if there were hard proof it wouldn't be much of a controversy.
- consumer451 3y agoThanks, forgot about the DOE. I'm not entirely discounting the lab leak theory, but WMD in Iraq were also low confidence intel. Either way, as far as action items: 1) We should tighten up all infectious disease labs AND 2) We should have higher global food standards (wet markets, etc) AND 3) Improve indoor air filtration, everywhere As far as I can tell, we've done none of those things.
- Gare 3y ago> 7M people died from COVID so far. In terms of QALYs lost War in Ukraine is most likely worse. Every premature death is a tragedy, but death of a 20 year old is much more tragic than that of an 80 year old.
- AstralStorm 3y agoCOVID is not that picky about age, and this number above ignores the disabled by it.
- pokepim 3y agoAnd like 20k slaughtered innocent civillians in the Gaza Genocide. Probably more at this moment. Humans are brutal.
- jemmyw 3y agoI'm genuinely surprised to learn that WWII had more casualties than WWI. I had always thought 1 was worse due to the trench warfare.
- throwanem 3y agoWWI was worse for soldiers for that reason, but the lines once drawn were static. WWII was extremely mobile by contrast especially considering its innovations in aerial warfare, which is why it was worse for civilians.
- DiscourseFan 3y agoStalin had an order to shoot any troops that tried to retreat, so Soviet casualties were particularly high. But when you're a communist and your enemy is fascism, no human toll would seem to be too high. Also all the genocide and mass rape and bioweapons and those numbers very easily add up. When you have one society that views the destruction of humanity as the greatest sublime pleasure, and others doing whatever they can to stop them, a lot of people are going to die.