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Alternately, you just execute people for drug trafficking. A total win in terms of net human suffering.

• rpmisms 3y ago
  El Salvador seems to be quite happy these days...
  • LAC-Tech 3y ago
    The murder rate of the USA is now almost 3 times higher than that of El Salvadors. New Zealand now has more murder than El Salvador.
    • lupusreal 3y ago
      New Zealand has 2.6 homicides per 100k. Singapore has 0.1 per 100k; 26x less.
      • LAC-Tech 3y ago
        One wonders what a Kiwi Bukele could do
      • rpmisms 3y ago
        Singapore has similar tolerances for crime as El Sal.
    • rpmisms 3y ago
      Sometimes it's really amazing how simple, first-principles solutions are mind-bogglingly effective.
• nurumaik 3y ago
  In terms of net human suffering we can execute everyone. No people -- no suffering
  • LAC-Tech 3y ago
    That would increase total suffering, as people condemned to be executed will under go a great deal of suffering.
    • alpaca128 3y ago
      > That would increase total suffering Not for long, afterwards there would be nobody left to suffer.
      • LAC-Tech 3y ago
        This debate is in bad faith.
        • amanaplanacanal 3y ago
          Just taking the suggestion to its logical conclusion I think.
    • falserum 3y ago
      Inform them only after it’s done.
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• lupusreal 3y ago
  E.g. the Singapore method. It works better than the western methods but people don't want to take it seriously and would rather suppress the suggestion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_opiates_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalenc...
  • afarviral 3y ago
    The "by any means necessary" method...? I think a society based around the normalization of this level of punishment is distopian. Achieving the lowest opiate addiction rate possible may not be worth it given the probability of wrongful incarceration/death, its optimising the wrong thing. I think humanity should just accept the multi-facetedness of the universe and work on systems which work without compromising our humanity. We are hooked on mental shortcuts and quick fixes.
    • LAC-Tech 3y ago
      Have you seen the opioid and crystal meth epidemics up close? They are far more dystopian than Singapore executing the odd drug trafficker.
  • 331c8c71 3y ago
    Also ban the chewing gum while at it (as they do there).
• alpaca128 3y ago
  And then you'd only have to deal with every addiction that's not related to illegal drugs. What are you going to do about alcoholism, or gaming addiction? Execute brewers and game developers?
• xetplan 3y ago
  You must not leave the house much.