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> they're arbitrary because the rule you're being fined for violating was created by the administrative agency fining you rather than Congress. This is a weird

> they're arbitrary because the rule you're being fined for violating was created by the administrative agency fining you rather than Congress. This is a weird argument that seems to be being put about recently and it's one of the weirdest legal arguments I've ever seen. Of course rulemaking can be delegated. The rules and rulemaking body remains under oversight, the rules can be overridden by the elected body, etc. Just a totally strange argument; delegation of authority by elected bodies to specialist subgroups is basically how government works without having 100,000 elected positions, and if your proposed solution is 'okay let's have 100,000 elected positions' you get the local government situation in which people run unopposed because nobody really gives a damn and the local coroner is the town drunk - or people just vote straight ticket. Just weird. Seems more about destroying the system - which isn't perfect, but works - than about actually solving a problem.

AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> delegation of authority by elected bodies to specialist subgroups is basically how government works without having 100,000 elected positions The way you do it is that the specialist subgroup proposes legislation and then the generalist legislature votes on it. And maybe they defer to their proposals 95% of the time, but it means that the unelected specialists can't push through a controversial change without having it approved by the elected legislators.
- tzs 3y ago
  > And maybe they defer to their proposals 95% of the time Have you looked at Congress lately? It would be more like less than 1% of the time. The rest of the time there will be some group that blocks action to try to get concessions on some unrelated issue of theirs.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    They don't need this for that, they already do it with whatever is on the agenda and then get their concessions. Do tell if you know of a way to get them to stop, but just adding another bill to the roster doesn't seem likely to change it one way or the other.

AnthonyMouse 3y ago

> delegation of authority by elected bodies to specialist subgroups is basically how government works without having 100,000 elected positions The way you do it is that the specialist subgroup proposes legislation and then the generalist legislature votes on it. And maybe they defer to their proposals 95% of the time, but it means that the unelected specialists can't push through a controversial change without having it approved by the elected legislators.

tzs 3y ago
> And maybe they defer to their proposals 95% of the time Have you looked at Congress lately? It would be more like less than 1% of the time. The rest of the time there will be some group that blocks action to try to get concessions on some unrelated issue of theirs.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  They don't need this for that, they already do it with whatever is on the agenda and then get their concessions. Do tell if you know of a way to get them to stop, but just adding another bill to the roster doesn't seem likely to change it one way or the other.