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It can take an instant to become disabled: there is no permanent and distinct set of "disabled and "not-disabled" people.

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andrewflnr 3y ago
Not to defend GP, but if I suddenly went blind, I really don't know if it would take longer to learn how to use my existing tools with a screen reader or to learn new tools better designed for it. It would be a completely new and foreign workflow either way.
- miki123211 3y ago
  This is not about what tools you want to use, but what tools you're forced to use by your team. If this were a simple, offline editor, a decision not to focus on accessibility would be far easier to swallow. They seem to be heavily promoting their collaboration feats. If those on your team collaborate using Zed and expect you to do the same, other tools aren't an option.
  - andrewflnr 3y ago
    Fair point. I'm not used to being forced to use particular tools so I didn't think of that.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  Have you considered that disability is not always permanent? What if you were temporarily blind? Or could only see magnified or high-contrast UIs? Or you broke both arms, but your feet are fine for using your USB driving Sim pedals as an input device for 10 weeks while your arms heal? Would you still want to learn new workflows to be used over a few months only? A11y isn't about helping one set of users (those who have completely lost their sight), it's about helping a whole spectrum of accessibility challenges - not by prescribing boxed solutions, but giving the user options customizable to their specific needs.
  - andrewflnr 3y ago
    I did consider temporary disabilities, and don't see how it changes anything I said (which is, again, not much).
    - sangnoir 3y ago
      The amount of time one is willing to set aside to learn new tools & workflows isn't worth it if they are to be used for a limited period. It's much better to use the old tools one is familiar with in those cases.
      - andrewflnr 3y ago
        You're still assuming that learning the old tool in a new way is faster. That's specifically what I'm questioning.

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andrewflnr 3y ago

Not to defend GP, but if I suddenly went blind, I really don't know if it would take longer to learn how to use my existing tools with a screen reader or to learn new tools better designed for it. It would be a completely new and foreign workflow either way.

miki123211 3y ago
This is not about what tools you want to use, but what tools you're forced to use by your team. If this were a simple, offline editor, a decision not to focus on accessibility would be far easier to swallow. They seem to be heavily promoting their collaboration feats. If those on your team collaborate using Zed and expect you to do the same, other tools aren't an option.
- andrewflnr 3y ago
  Fair point. I'm not used to being forced to use particular tools so I didn't think of that.
sangnoir 3y ago
Have you considered that disability is not always permanent? What if you were temporarily blind? Or could only see magnified or high-contrast UIs? Or you broke both arms, but your feet are fine for using your USB driving Sim pedals as an input device for 10 weeks while your arms heal? Would you still want to learn new workflows to be used over a few months only? A11y isn't about helping one set of users (those who have completely lost their sight), it's about helping a whole spectrum of accessibility challenges - not by prescribing boxed solutions, but giving the user options customizable to their specific needs.
- andrewflnr 3y ago
  I did consider temporary disabilities, and don't see how it changes anything I said (which is, again, not much).
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    The amount of time one is willing to set aside to learn new tools & workflows isn't worth it if they are to be used for a limited period. It's much better to use the old tools one is familiar with in those cases.
    - andrewflnr 3y ago
      You're still assuming that learning the old tool in a new way is faster. That's specifically what I'm questioning.