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Very, very interesting to see all these random accounts immediately showing up in mass to defend the Kremlin. Especially on a post like this, where it is not so

by anter 3y ago

Very, very interesting to see all these random accounts immediately showing up in mass to defend the Kremlin. Especially on a post like this, where it is not some outlandish accusation. Those countries are coming up on a third year of a full scale war, it'd be more surprising if they didn't have a disinformation campaign to discredit each other.

UncleOxidant 3y ago
It's almost too obvious. You'd think they'd try to be a bit more subtle.
- adestefan 3y ago
  It seems to work better when it’s not subtle. You’ll get all the *chan bois relaying your disinformation for the lulz. YouTube and podcaster hucksters trying to make a name for themselves to get a payday from some weird billionaire’s self-funded media machine. In the end you’ll get some local politicians on-board and maybe a US Senator or two.
- benterix 3y ago
  Having observed them over a decade or so, I came to the conclusion that they don't need to be subtle because to be successful they just need to spread messages (photos, clips, etc.) that are in line with your view. For example, during BLM riots, they were inciting emotions on both sides of the conflict. Subtlety was never their asset because once we get to the bottom of things, they have no real argument. For example, Putin pushes the narrative that Hungarians living in Ukraine would be happy if their land was Hungarian. But if you really ask these Hungarians if they choose a war over their land in order for this to happen, they would call you a madman. There is nothing to discuss and Putin knows it, and also these trolls know it, so they need to resource to not-so subtle arguments.
  - UncleOxidant 3y ago
    Yeah, I suppose they get paid the same either way. Why go out of their way trying to be imaginative?
  - wood_spirit 3y ago
    You get what you measure. HNers with extensive corporate experience will be able to easily reverse engineer their OKRs :)
celdon25 3y ago
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kossTKR 3y ago
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- The_Colonel 3y ago
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  - dron57 3y ago
    > Ultimately what you're implicitly suggesting is to surrender to the aggressor, but that's not going to happen. Even if the West stops support, Kyiv is conquered, there will be guerilla war for years to come. That's what everyone thought at the beginning of this war. Unfortunately, I think the lack of a massive guerilla movement in the occupied territories disproves this theory. Russian brutality and torture is very effective at fighting guerilla movements. The Russian invasion needs to be beaten back on the field! Please, vote for candidates that support Ukraine.
- ikekkdcjkfke 3y ago
  Russia lost the cultural/ideological war in Ukraine, that doesn't give them the right to right to invade a soverign country and kill people. Ukraine asked for help and got it.
godelski 3y ago
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by anter 3y ago

UncleOxidant 3y ago

It's almost too obvious. You'd think they'd try to be a bit more subtle.

adestefan 3y ago
It seems to work better when it’s not subtle. You’ll get all the *chan bois relaying your disinformation for the lulz. YouTube and podcaster hucksters trying to make a name for themselves to get a payday from some weird billionaire’s self-funded media machine. In the end you’ll get some local politicians on-board and maybe a US Senator or two.
benterix 3y ago
Having observed them over a decade or so, I came to the conclusion that they don't need to be subtle because to be successful they just need to spread messages (photos, clips, etc.) that are in line with your view. For example, during BLM riots, they were inciting emotions on both sides of the conflict. Subtlety was never their asset because once we get to the bottom of things, they have no real argument. For example, Putin pushes the narrative that Hungarians living in Ukraine would be happy if their land was Hungarian. But if you really ask these Hungarians if they choose a war over their land in order for this to happen, they would call you a madman. There is nothing to discuss and Putin knows it, and also these trolls know it, so they need to resource to not-so subtle arguments.
- UncleOxidant 3y ago
  Yeah, I suppose they get paid the same either way. Why go out of their way trying to be imaginative?
- wood_spirit 3y ago
  You get what you measure. HNers with extensive corporate experience will be able to easily reverse engineer their OKRs :)

celdon25 3y ago

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kossTKR 3y ago

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The_Colonel 3y ago
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- dron57 3y ago
  > Ultimately what you're implicitly suggesting is to surrender to the aggressor, but that's not going to happen. Even if the West stops support, Kyiv is conquered, there will be guerilla war for years to come. That's what everyone thought at the beginning of this war. Unfortunately, I think the lack of a massive guerilla movement in the occupied territories disproves this theory. Russian brutality and torture is very effective at fighting guerilla movements. The Russian invasion needs to be beaten back on the field! Please, vote for candidates that support Ukraine.
ikekkdcjkfke 3y ago
Russia lost the cultural/ideological war in Ukraine, that doesn't give them the right to right to invade a soverign country and kill people. Ukraine asked for help and got it.

godelski 3y ago

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