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I don't have a lot of personal experience dealing with addiction in either myself or others, but TFA lays out to me a pretty compelling claim that addiction is

I don't have a lot of personal experience dealing with addiction in either myself or others, but TFA lays out to me a pretty compelling claim that addiction is a developmental disorder. The current mainstream belief of addiction as disease has always seemed to me like it had a great number of holes; it's main purpose was to make people stop stigmatizing addicts for moral failing. The comparison to ADHD made in the article is an interesting one: although for sure many ADHD kids do age out of the diagnosis, I know many ADHD adults who still have it significantly impact their lives. What do we do with addiction if you've made it past your brain developmental point and you're still addicted?

hn72774 3y ago
I've heard the first-time heroin experience described as feeling like "being wrapped in a warm, wet blanket." What else feels like that? A lot of addiction is trying to get back to the comfort of the womb to escape from early childhood traumas and abuses. You get a taste of that with the use but never get close to it again after.
- curtisblaine 3y ago
  > What else feels like that? Probably being wrapped in an actual warm, wet blanket.
  - thebigspacefuck 3y ago
    A hot tub sounds better
- notso411 3y ago
  A lot of addiction is trying to get back to the comfort of the womb to escape from early childhood traumas and abuses. Says who
  - whythre 3y ago
    Yeah this seems like pseudo-Freudian claptrap. People soothe their pain and trauma with all sorts of self-destructive behavior. Trying to numb the pain doesn’t mean they are trying to crawl back in the womb.
  - tanseydavid 3y ago
    That wording is exceptionally poor in my opinion. Just above, @blueprint, does a fabulous job of summarizing what I think is essentially the same idea (but with far better wording): "..the problem is that for some people, addiction is connected with: * using an external means of dissociation * to obtain instant control over feelings * without relating to them on their own terms" Someone who is without serious trauma won't likely have the same reaction/response to this level of dissociation.
- _z7iw 3y ago
  > never get close to it again after. The problem isn't whether they can get close to it again, the problem is that for some people, addiction is connected with using an external means of dissociation to obtain instant control over feelings without relating to them on their own terms. there are ways certainly to return to peace but it's a long and narrow road through your own self's karma. karma is not outside. it s a power sticking to your consciousness which exists by propagating itself and being reinput back into your consciousness through your behavior by modifying your vision to see what was rather than what is. actually opening eyes to reality and accepting it is said to be curative and the thing which can suppress and eventually stop karma. it seems to simply die out when it cannot act. at that time it's explained that your consciousness becomes able to experience nirvana (peace) in connection with the world of origin. some of key things arent well understood by most students of Buddhism anymore. even though someone experiences peace once they have still yet to find out what condition can cause the true rest, which Buddha explained near the end of his life reluctantly. karma can be made, for example by telling lies, by grudge, and "attachment" in the sense of idealism
  - echelon_musk 3y ago
    The creation of kamma ceases at the attainment of Nibbana. There is happiness (Sukkha) to be found on the path before then. I agree with you about drugs being used as a way to avoid processing complex trauma or difficult memories. The root of the Pāli word for mindfulness (Sati) is Smriti in Sanskrit which literally means "that which is remembered". If you can be mindful with your direct experience, which will include difficult memories, you can start to purify your mind and view and prevent the future arising of unwholesome (akusala) kamma.
    - _z7iw 3y ago
      no, it doesnt. not to be an asshole but i could stop reading carefully after your first sentence when you claim something exists you should also let people confirm it by what principle and what problems. but you didn't include anything but words. when you really define those words you will find issues. mindfulness isn't real and a mind can't be puried by your (lack of) means. it's a scam. nor is nirvana attained and nor did you attain the real nirvana the nirvana you heard about was admitted to have been made up for people who werent ready for the real truth about it
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hn72774 3y ago

I've heard the first-time heroin experience described as feeling like "being wrapped in a warm, wet blanket." What else feels like that? A lot of addiction is trying to get back to the comfort of the womb to escape from early childhood traumas and abuses. You get a taste of that with the use but never get close to it again after.

curtisblaine 3y ago
> What else feels like that? Probably being wrapped in an actual warm, wet blanket.
- thebigspacefuck 3y ago
  A hot tub sounds better
notso411 3y ago
A lot of addiction is trying to get back to the comfort of the womb to escape from early childhood traumas and abuses. Says who
- whythre 3y ago
  Yeah this seems like pseudo-Freudian claptrap. People soothe their pain and trauma with all sorts of self-destructive behavior. Trying to numb the pain doesn’t mean they are trying to crawl back in the womb.
- tanseydavid 3y ago
  That wording is exceptionally poor in my opinion. Just above, @blueprint, does a fabulous job of summarizing what I think is essentially the same idea (but with far better wording): "..the problem is that for some people, addiction is connected with: * using an external means of dissociation * to obtain instant control over feelings * without relating to them on their own terms" Someone who is without serious trauma won't likely have the same reaction/response to this level of dissociation.
_z7iw 3y ago
> never get close to it again after. The problem isn't whether they can get close to it again, the problem is that for some people, addiction is connected with using an external means of dissociation to obtain instant control over feelings without relating to them on their own terms. there are ways certainly to return to peace but it's a long and narrow road through your own self's karma. karma is not outside. it s a power sticking to your consciousness which exists by propagating itself and being reinput back into your consciousness through your behavior by modifying your vision to see what was rather than what is. actually opening eyes to reality and accepting it is said to be curative and the thing which can suppress and eventually stop karma. it seems to simply die out when it cannot act. at that time it's explained that your consciousness becomes able to experience nirvana (peace) in connection with the world of origin. some of key things arent well understood by most students of Buddhism anymore. even though someone experiences peace once they have still yet to find out what condition can cause the true rest, which Buddha explained near the end of his life reluctantly. karma can be made, for example by telling lies, by grudge, and "attachment" in the sense of idealism
- echelon_musk 3y ago
  The creation of kamma ceases at the attainment of Nibbana. There is happiness (Sukkha) to be found on the path before then. I agree with you about drugs being used as a way to avoid processing complex trauma or difficult memories. The root of the Pāli word for mindfulness (Sati) is Smriti in Sanskrit which literally means "that which is remembered". If you can be mindful with your direct experience, which will include difficult memories, you can start to purify your mind and view and prevent the future arising of unwholesome (akusala) kamma.
  - _z7iw 3y ago
    no, it doesnt. not to be an asshole but i could stop reading carefully after your first sentence when you claim something exists you should also let people confirm it by what principle and what problems. but you didn't include anything but words. when you really define those words you will find issues. mindfulness isn't real and a mind can't be puried by your (lack of) means. it's a scam. nor is nirvana attained and nor did you attain the real nirvana the nirvana you heard about was admitted to have been made up for people who werent ready for the real truth about it
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