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These are volunteers providing hundreds (at a guess) of hours of unpaid labor to a project they're giving away for free. You also expect them to pay an artist o

These are volunteers providing hundreds (at a guess) of hours of unpaid labor to a project they're giving away for free. You also expect them to pay an artist out of their own pockets? Maybe an artist (for example, you) could donate his or her time and provide them with a better logo for free.

devmor 3y ago
Why is this a defense for them using the labor of non-consenting artists to generate a crappy header image? Surely they could ask an artist to volunteer their time just as they volunteered theirs?
- koala_man 3y ago
  > Surely they could ask an artist to volunteer their time just as they volunteered theirs? Unfortunately "I spent a lot of time on this thing you have no interest in or relation to" is not a very convincing argument in the FOSS world.
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    > not a very convincing argument Neither is "I'm not going to contribute a damned thing, but nonetheless the team behind this free product needs to spend more time and/or money to make me happy." If you don't like the logo, well... that sounds a lot like a personal problem to me.
- mistercow 3y ago
  Random generated images slapped up in a context where there’s clearly no competing commercial interest just seems like a really silly hill to have this fight on. Even if you take a hard line on the debate on model training data, this is an utterly harmless case, and certainly not worth the gut punch threads like this cause to someone who is just trying to share their open source project with the community. Also, you don’t in fact know that the model used to generate this was trained with art used without consent.
  - devmor 3y ago
    This is an internet forum, there's no hill here. It is the lowest possible stakes to have this discussion imaginable. It is just as easy to grab some CC-licensed images and throw them together in an image editor, like nearly every other FOSS project does at this stage.
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  Please feel free to open a PR replacing the image with one from a volunteer. I'm more than happy to make to make the switch and give credit to a proper artist if there's one willing to work for free.

devmor 3y ago

Why is this a defense for them using the labor of non-consenting artists to generate a crappy header image? Surely they could ask an artist to volunteer their time just as they volunteered theirs?

koala_man 3y ago
> Surely they could ask an artist to volunteer their time just as they volunteered theirs? Unfortunately "I spent a lot of time on this thing you have no interest in or relation to" is not a very convincing argument in the FOSS world.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  > not a very convincing argument Neither is "I'm not going to contribute a damned thing, but nonetheless the team behind this free product needs to spend more time and/or money to make me happy." If you don't like the logo, well... that sounds a lot like a personal problem to me.
mistercow 3y ago
Random generated images slapped up in a context where there’s clearly no competing commercial interest just seems like a really silly hill to have this fight on. Even if you take a hard line on the debate on model training data, this is an utterly harmless case, and certainly not worth the gut punch threads like this cause to someone who is just trying to share their open source project with the community. Also, you don’t in fact know that the model used to generate this was trained with art used without consent.
- devmor 3y ago
  This is an internet forum, there's no hill here. It is the lowest possible stakes to have this discussion imaginable. It is just as easy to grab some CC-licensed images and throw them together in an image editor, like nearly every other FOSS project does at this stage.
shepherdjerred 3y ago
Please feel free to open a PR replacing the image with one from a volunteer. I'm more than happy to make to make the switch and give credit to a proper artist if there's one willing to work for free.