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Web apps and Electron apps are two different things. Entirely. > So, let me get it straight. A web app running inside a web browser engine is bloated, slow, an

Web apps and Electron apps are two different things. Entirely. > So, let me get it straight. A web app running inside a web browser engine is bloated, slow, and non-performant when it's on desktop. But the moment you put it on mobile it's not? A web app doesn't require that you bundle an entire Chrome runtime with the app. There's a lot of your "bloated" right there. You've been told this several times, so it seems that you're being deliberately obtuse. As far as "slow and bloated" as a whole, my (several years old) phone has 64 GB of storage, a hexacore 3.22 Ghz CPU and a quad-core GPU. I. Just. Don't. Care. I'm old enough to remember the exact same "slow and bloated" crapola when programs written in C (and, at that time, Pascal) started replacing hand-coded ASM. Now, modern C compilers are pretty whizzy, but at that time coding in C entailed a significant size and speed penalty. Are you still writing in hand-coded ASM? Yeah, that's what I thought. If you don't want to use web apps, or Electron apps, don't use them. No one's forcing you to use them at gunpoint, mang. Better yet, write your own "fast and slim" apps and take away the market for the "slow and bloated" ones.

troupo 3y ago
> There's a lot of your "bloated" right there. You've been told this several times, so it seems that you're being deliberately obtuse. I also use "web apps" in the browser. I struggle to find a single one that doesn't fit the description. Well, I know some, but when ask people like you to give examples, there's either silence or some ridiculous thing that only proves my point. > I. Just. Don't. Care. Indeed > I'm old enough to remember the exact same "slow and bloated" crapola when programs written in C Non-sequitur > If you don't want to use web apps, or Electron apps, don't use them. I would if devs like you didn't have your attitude of not caring and shipped other than shit > Better yet, write your own "fast and slim" apps and take away the market for the "slow and bloated" ones. What's stopping you from creating such apps? Just your "I don't care we have supercomputers so I'll use the technology that struggles to even display some static text on it"?
- szasamasa 3y ago
  try hover.com it is a responsive website, they do not have native apps, you can still use it on a phone I just checked you can use it standalone if you want to, I myself choose to use this website from the browser on linux... but I actually "installed" it on android and if I used my mobile more, I might just want to use this "app" this way every website is a potential web app if written responding to screen sizes correctly inherently nothing is bloated... actually, I do not really understand why you hate web apps that much, just do not use them! use them in your favourite browser or whatever whether a sotware shit or not, depends on the developer, not whether it is c++, java, swift, android-java or js...
  - troupo 3y ago
    > try hover.com > it is a responsive website, they do not have native apps, you can still use it on a phone I see a largely static site with very little functionality. During search the site jumps when the progress bar disappears, so you can easily misclick on items in the list (I did at least once). During checkout it takes a second or so to add additional items to the order (could be long network connectivity, but there's no indication on the page). I'm supposed to be impressed? You call this an application? GoDaddy of all sites had all that in mid-2000s. Just checked: they still do, and it's faster, the page doesn't jump around, and additional selections are applied immediately. If something takes time, there's a loading indicator (inline if needed). Okay, I decided to sign up and see what's there. Literally nothing works, but that's not really important. Here's the sad/funny part: A static page showing domain details with literally just text on the page and a few icons requires 2.5 megabytes of Javascript. Yes. This page with almost nothing on it needs 2.5 megabytes of Javascript: https://dmitriid.com/media/6/b/1/f/912c-e91b-4530-af54-092479b35220.png https://dmitriid.com/media/6/b/1/f/912c-e91b-4530-af54-09247... Yes, you said it correctly: "inherently nothing is bloated". You still managed to bloat it. Go and read "Performance Inequality Gap 2024": https://infrequently.org/2024/01/performance-inequality-gap-2024/ https://infrequently.org/2024/01/performance-inequality-gap-... (I don't agree with Alex Russel on many things, but his performance analyses are always spot on). > every website is a potential web app if written responding to screen sizes correctly Honestly, web people should leave their bubble at least for a nanosecond from time to time. No, a site displaying a few hundred lines of text and a minimally functional checkout (and still doing a rather poor job of it) is not an application. Having a responsive design does not make a website into an application. > I do not really understand why you hate web apps that much, just do not use them! use them in your favourite browser or whatever Because I'm forced to use them as they are the cheapest fastest way to make stuff for people who wouldn't know a good UI/UX (and good apps, and good programming practices) if it stared them in the face. And who cannot even design a text page without requiring enough resources to power a small town. > whether a sotware shit or not, depends on the developer, not whether it is c++, java, swift, android-java or js... And yet, the shittiest software is somehow still made for the web, en masse.

troupo 3y ago

> There's a lot of your "bloated" right there. You've been told this several times, so it seems that you're being deliberately obtuse. I also use "web apps" in the browser. I struggle to find a single one that doesn't fit the description. Well, I know some, but when ask people like you to give examples, there's either silence or some ridiculous thing that only proves my point. > I. Just. Don't. Care. Indeed > I'm old enough to remember the exact same "slow and bloated" crapola when programs written in C Non-sequitur > If you don't want to use web apps, or Electron apps, don't use them. I would if devs like you didn't have your attitude of not caring and shipped other than shit > Better yet, write your own "fast and slim" apps and take away the market for the "slow and bloated" ones. What's stopping you from creating such apps? Just your "I don't care we have supercomputers so I'll use the technology that struggles to even display some static text on it"?

szasamasa 3y ago
try hover.com it is a responsive website, they do not have native apps, you can still use it on a phone I just checked you can use it standalone if you want to, I myself choose to use this website from the browser on linux... but I actually "installed" it on android and if I used my mobile more, I might just want to use this "app" this way every website is a potential web app if written responding to screen sizes correctly inherently nothing is bloated... actually, I do not really understand why you hate web apps that much, just do not use them! use them in your favourite browser or whatever whether a sotware shit or not, depends on the developer, not whether it is c++, java, swift, android-java or js...
- troupo 3y ago
  > try hover.com > it is a responsive website, they do not have native apps, you can still use it on a phone I see a largely static site with very little functionality. During search the site jumps when the progress bar disappears, so you can easily misclick on items in the list (I did at least once). During checkout it takes a second or so to add additional items to the order (could be long network connectivity, but there's no indication on the page). I'm supposed to be impressed? You call this an application? GoDaddy of all sites had all that in mid-2000s. Just checked: they still do, and it's faster, the page doesn't jump around, and additional selections are applied immediately. If something takes time, there's a loading indicator (inline if needed). Okay, I decided to sign up and see what's there. Literally nothing works, but that's not really important. Here's the sad/funny part: A static page showing domain details with literally just text on the page and a few icons requires 2.5 megabytes of Javascript. Yes. This page with almost nothing on it needs 2.5 megabytes of Javascript: https://dmitriid.com/media/6/b/1/f/912c-e91b-4530-af54-092479b35220.png https://dmitriid.com/media/6/b/1/f/912c-e91b-4530-af54-09247... Yes, you said it correctly: "inherently nothing is bloated". You still managed to bloat it. Go and read "Performance Inequality Gap 2024": https://infrequently.org/2024/01/performance-inequality-gap-2024/ https://infrequently.org/2024/01/performance-inequality-gap-... (I don't agree with Alex Russel on many things, but his performance analyses are always spot on). > every website is a potential web app if written responding to screen sizes correctly Honestly, web people should leave their bubble at least for a nanosecond from time to time. No, a site displaying a few hundred lines of text and a minimally functional checkout (and still doing a rather poor job of it) is not an application. Having a responsive design does not make a website into an application. > I do not really understand why you hate web apps that much, just do not use them! use them in your favourite browser or whatever Because I'm forced to use them as they are the cheapest fastest way to make stuff for people who wouldn't know a good UI/UX (and good apps, and good programming practices) if it stared them in the face. And who cannot even design a text page without requiring enough resources to power a small town. > whether a sotware shit or not, depends on the developer, not whether it is c++, java, swift, android-java or js... And yet, the shittiest software is somehow still made for the web, en masse.