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Sounds like a nice, sustainable economic boom for the Ute Tribe once they bring it online. Reading the slides from the biological/archaeological impact studies

Sounds like a nice, sustainable economic boom for the Ute Tribe once they bring it online. Reading the slides from the biological/archaeological impact studies from Canigou Group shows that someone didn't proofread their slide. The burrowing owl study states that it is "Threatened with the State of Colorado but not Federally". It was probably supposed to say "Threatened within..." Good luck to the Utes. There is not much industry other than oil and gas exploration in that region unless recent interest in nuclear power generation has restarted local mining operations shut down in the 1970's that used to be large employers (and polluters) out there. EDIT: Following the link posted by another comment shows that the slide in this article has been corrected. The same slide on that link says "in" instead of "with".

EasyMark 3y ago
> Sounds like a nice, sustainable economic boom for the Ute Tribe once they bring it online. As long as they properly distribute the profits to tribe members. There have definitely been some boondoggles in the past that only help the 1% ers
- doodlebugging 3y ago
  This is a problem with all tribes. Resource extraction on tribal land is not necessarily improving the living standards of all members of the tribe. It's the same story whether we look at oil and gas production, coal or mineral mining, hydroelectric power generation, timber production, or wind and solar energy production. Electing tribal leaders who will focus on improvements that spread the wealth and boost living standards can be as difficult for them as it is for other Americans to elect leaders who attempt to improve their constituent's lives and create opportunities for them. It is also a challenge, less so today than in the past, to find tribal members with the domain knowledge to be able to understand how all this can be put to best use for the benefit of all. Then you also need firewalls in place to prevent exploitation by multinational corporations with the domain expertise who use that to draft agreements that end up cheating the tribes out of profits that should go to the tribes. It's a hard problem since it is so endemic in the American business world and since many programs that are currently in place have no one conducting effective oversight to insure that business is conducted transparently and to the benefit of the ones owning the resources.
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  - doug_durham 3y ago
    This is not a tribal problem this is a human problem. This is a universal situation. I think you agree with this. There is an ongoing problem of singling out "tribal" issues as though tribes are somehow specially deficient.
    - doodlebugging 3y ago
      I do agree that it is a human problem that affects most of us to some extent due to corporate capture of regulatory processes by those who are supposed to be regulated. When you have (1) no oversight or (2) oversight with limited enforcement authority or (3) oversight with enforcement authority that does not function as an effective deterrent then you have created the situation we see today. Those who should be regulated end up writing the regulations that govern their activities and so they do this in a manner that offers the least friction to their operations at the lowest cost to them. It is definitely not just a tribal problem here in the US. It is endemic in the corporate world and in government. That's why I mentioned that part at the end of that post.
- Tiktaalik 3y ago
  Seems to me like the 1%ers not handing down profits is a problem in Silicon Valley and beyond too...
hinkley 3y ago
> Threatened with the State of Colorado If you don’t eat your vegetables I’m sending you to live with your uncle Phil, in Colorado.

EasyMark 3y ago

> Sounds like a nice, sustainable economic boom for the Ute Tribe once they bring it online. As long as they properly distribute the profits to tribe members. There have definitely been some boondoggles in the past that only help the 1% ers

doodlebugging 3y ago
This is a problem with all tribes. Resource extraction on tribal land is not necessarily improving the living standards of all members of the tribe. It's the same story whether we look at oil and gas production, coal or mineral mining, hydroelectric power generation, timber production, or wind and solar energy production. Electing tribal leaders who will focus on improvements that spread the wealth and boost living standards can be as difficult for them as it is for other Americans to elect leaders who attempt to improve their constituent's lives and create opportunities for them. It is also a challenge, less so today than in the past, to find tribal members with the domain knowledge to be able to understand how all this can be put to best use for the benefit of all. Then you also need firewalls in place to prevent exploitation by multinational corporations with the domain expertise who use that to draft agreements that end up cheating the tribes out of profits that should go to the tribes. It's a hard problem since it is so endemic in the American business world and since many programs that are currently in place have no one conducting effective oversight to insure that business is conducted transparently and to the benefit of the ones owning the resources.
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- doug_durham 3y ago
  This is not a tribal problem this is a human problem. This is a universal situation. I think you agree with this. There is an ongoing problem of singling out "tribal" issues as though tribes are somehow specially deficient.
  - doodlebugging 3y ago
    I do agree that it is a human problem that affects most of us to some extent due to corporate capture of regulatory processes by those who are supposed to be regulated. When you have (1) no oversight or (2) oversight with limited enforcement authority or (3) oversight with enforcement authority that does not function as an effective deterrent then you have created the situation we see today. Those who should be regulated end up writing the regulations that govern their activities and so they do this in a manner that offers the least friction to their operations at the lowest cost to them. It is definitely not just a tribal problem here in the US. It is endemic in the corporate world and in government. That's why I mentioned that part at the end of that post.
Tiktaalik 3y ago
Seems to me like the 1%ers not handing down profits is a problem in Silicon Valley and beyond too...

hinkley 3y ago

> Threatened with the State of Colorado If you don’t eat your vegetables I’m sending you to live with your uncle Phil, in Colorado.