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Since iOS 17.4 for EU users 1. Apple will DELETE user's data without notice 2. Lot of apps will stop working and there will be no way to access them without up

Since iOS 17.4 for EU users 1. Apple will DELETE user's data without notice 2. Lot of apps will stop working and there will be no way to access them without update 3. Web Push will stop working; users expecting notifications will never get them 4. Apple breaks the Web platform This was published in the document "Update on apps distributed in the European Union" https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/ https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/

andy_ppp 3y ago
I take it this is just for PWAs?
- szasamasa 3y ago
  it must be for all websites since a web app is just a website that may or may not implement web capabilities actually no such thing as PWA, there are plenty of web standards but no web standard about PWA the web standard that governs standalone mode and home screen button and such is a draft (web app manifest) the website does not need to be progressive, not even offline capable to get standalone and home screen button the "very dangerouos" service workers can run in any website silently without standalone mode or app buttons or any user interaction (maybe because they are not that creepy after all, an open source javascript that tells browsers how to cache) I really hate this web app distinction and install language because 1. it is not standard 2. it is not true 3. it is contra-productive I wrote a piece about this somewhere in a top level comment. Apple breaks web capabilities both in websites and standalone websites (web apps).
szasamasa 3y ago
is this true? I mean they cannot delete Chrome data which web capabilities will actually not work any more? I mean service workers will not, and it is a big one... all they do is caching and you can create an offline working website with them web push another big one (not for me, but many use them) which other web capabilities does Apple target?
- mwest217 3y ago
  The biggest one is that Apple allows local storage to last longer than 7 days for webpages installed as apps on the home screen, but deletes local storage for ordinary websites 7 days after they are last opened.
- sccxy 3y ago
  If your PWA is deleted in iOS 17.4 then your data is gone. (PWA does not share data with browser)

andy_ppp 3y ago

I take it this is just for PWAs?

szasamasa 3y ago
it must be for all websites since a web app is just a website that may or may not implement web capabilities actually no such thing as PWA, there are plenty of web standards but no web standard about PWA the web standard that governs standalone mode and home screen button and such is a draft (web app manifest) the website does not need to be progressive, not even offline capable to get standalone and home screen button the "very dangerouos" service workers can run in any website silently without standalone mode or app buttons or any user interaction (maybe because they are not that creepy after all, an open source javascript that tells browsers how to cache) I really hate this web app distinction and install language because 1. it is not standard 2. it is not true 3. it is contra-productive I wrote a piece about this somewhere in a top level comment. Apple breaks web capabilities both in websites and standalone websites (web apps).

szasamasa 3y ago

is this true? I mean they cannot delete Chrome data which web capabilities will actually not work any more? I mean service workers will not, and it is a big one... all they do is caching and you can create an offline working website with them web push another big one (not for me, but many use them) which other web capabilities does Apple target?

mwest217 3y ago
The biggest one is that Apple allows local storage to last longer than 7 days for webpages installed as apps on the home screen, but deletes local storage for ordinary websites 7 days after they are last opened.
sccxy 3y ago
If your PWA is deleted in iOS 17.4 then your data is gone. (PWA does not share data with browser)