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This is criminal. After decades I finally had the ability to develop for iOS without a Mac and a yearly $99 fee - only for it to be crippled again?

threeseed 3y ago
> I finally had the ability to develop for iOS without a Mac Cordova, React Native, Xamarin, Flutter etc. Seems like the only thing criminal here is your inability to use Google.
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  They all still require the yearly $99 fee. Not to mention the need to learn another platform. I already know the web.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  You still need to deploy the application via Mac, genius.
  - threeseed 3y ago
    You can build application using Github Actions or EC2 Mac for almost nothing.
stephenr 3y ago
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call a web app "develop[ed] for iOS" The whole point of the web is that it is cross platform. That isn't a negative thing it's a positive, but calling it "develop for iOS" is arguably disingenuous.
- amadeuspagel 3y ago
  Most people just want to make apps for themselves. If you use an iOS device but not a Mac, there was no way to do that before web apps (which still offered a terrible dev experience, without debugging) and now there's again no way to do it.
  - d1sxeyes 3y ago
    You could actually debug by connecting to a Mac running safari via USB. Not that it matters anymore.
  - stephenr 3y ago
    I’m not debating why someone wants to develop it. I’m saying that making a web app is not “developing for iOS”. It’s developing for the web.
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    > Most people just want to make apps for themselves. "Most people"? Really? Most people wouldn't recognize real source code if you tattooed it on them, much less have any desire to write code for themselves.
- szasamasa 3y ago
  had the ability... he did not mention specifically and yes, with web apps you can develop for iOS too, one code base for all and whether it is criminal, sadly, must be determined on court... the DMA explicitly supports web apps without rstrictions, so in the enfd it can turn out to be literally criminal what Apple does

threeseed 3y ago

> I finally had the ability to develop for iOS without a Mac Cordova, React Native, Xamarin, Flutter etc. Seems like the only thing criminal here is your inability to use Google.

Aerbil313 3y ago
They all still require the yearly $99 fee. Not to mention the need to learn another platform. I already know the web.
wiseowise 3y ago
You still need to deploy the application via Mac, genius.
- threeseed 3y ago
  You can build application using Github Actions or EC2 Mac for almost nothing.

stephenr 3y ago

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call a web app "develop[ed] for iOS" The whole point of the web is that it is cross platform. That isn't a negative thing it's a positive, but calling it "develop for iOS" is arguably disingenuous.

amadeuspagel 3y ago
Most people just want to make apps for themselves. If you use an iOS device but not a Mac, there was no way to do that before web apps (which still offered a terrible dev experience, without debugging) and now there's again no way to do it.
- d1sxeyes 3y ago
  You could actually debug by connecting to a Mac running safari via USB. Not that it matters anymore.
- stephenr 3y ago
  I’m not debating why someone wants to develop it. I’m saying that making a web app is not “developing for iOS”. It’s developing for the web.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  > Most people just want to make apps for themselves. "Most people"? Really? Most people wouldn't recognize real source code if you tattooed it on them, much less have any desire to write code for themselves.
szasamasa 3y ago
had the ability... he did not mention specifically and yes, with web apps you can develop for iOS too, one code base for all and whether it is criminal, sadly, must be determined on court... the DMA explicitly supports web apps without rstrictions, so in the enfd it can turn out to be literally criminal what Apple does