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could you please elaborate on how/what the Vision Pro contributes to this problem?

by pas 3y ago

5350-uiop-1130 3y ago
spending 10s of billions of R&D towards a closed off walled garden for consuming Apple services. afaik you cant even order AVP without an iPhone.
mettamage 3y ago
Apple not allowing the open web stifles innovation, including the AVP. The apps in the app store will be dictated by Apple. So whatever their ethical framework is, that is what will receive innovation. While that seems fair, the problem is that the strongest form of software innovation I have seen is where developers can freely plug in.
- jimmySixDOF 3y ago
  AVP has support for WebXR behind a flag in Safari that allows the full immersive mode of spatial computing (don't say Vee Are) and that -- so far untill now - is an opening for non-app store third party experiences.
throwaway49849 3y ago
The AVP is one of the most out of touch products I've ever seen from a respected brand, and I can almost hear Steve Job's scathing criticisms of it, based on everything I know about him. Not to mention, it goes against the increasing trend of less screens and less tech. The fact that it got made and is being pushed so hard as the next step in computing, is bonkers. So to me, it contributes because it is another data point that the leadership has compromised its ability to consistently make forward thinking decisions.
- threeseed 3y ago
  > Steve Job's scathing criticisms of it, based on everything I know about him Vision Pro patent from 2007 when Steve Jobs was still CEO: https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1753076050643575230 https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1753076050643575230
  - throwaway49849 3y ago
    Collecting patents is not proof of a great idea. Exhibit A: Google's patent on a "sticky car" that is covered with adhesive, to stick to pedestrians when you hit them https://patents.google.com/patent/US9340178B1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US9340178B1/en
    - bbkane 3y ago
      This is amazing, thanks for the link!
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Have you looked at the patent? How is that supposed to be the Vision Pro? It's just a pair of sky googles with 2 displays in front of the eyes, connected to an Airpod for watching media. It's not so much Vision Pro as it is Nintendo Virtual Boy. Actually the virtual boy was more advanced since it let you play games. That kind of stereo display headset for watching videos inputs from external sources has existed since the 70's, long before Apple's patent 2007. How did they even get a patent for it? Another proof the patent system is broken since it seems they'll let you patent anything.
- vdaea 3y ago
  >it goes against the increasing trend of less screens and less tech Where are you seeing this "increasing trend"? Also, how should a tech company that makes money from selling gadgets react to this purported trend? Start selling chairs?
  - throwaway49849 3y ago
    I'm sure you can find conflicting information, but here is a data point that aligns with my own experiences: "Human contact is becoming a luxury good." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/sunday-review/human-contact-luxury-screens.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/sunday-review/human-conta... >Also, how should a tech company that makes money from selling gadgets react to this purported trend? That's like asking what cigarette companies were supposed to do when we found out cigarettes cause cancer.
- twobitshifter 3y ago
  Here is Steve wanting headphones for video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W8HjoBL5fbU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W8HjoBL5fbU

could you please elaborate on how/what the Vision Pro contributes to this problem?

by pas 3y ago

could you please elaborate on how/what the Vision Pro contributes to this problem?

spending 10s of billions of R&D towards a closed off walled garden for consuming Apple services. afaik you cant even order AVP without an iPhone.

mettamage 3y ago

Apple not allowing the open web stifles innovation, including the AVP. The apps in the app store will be dictated by Apple. So whatever their ethical framework is, that is what will receive innovation. While that seems fair, the problem is that the strongest form of software innovation I have seen is where developers can freely plug in.

jimmySixDOF 3y ago
AVP has support for WebXR behind a flag in Safari that allows the full immersive mode of spatial computing (don't say Vee Are) and that -- so far untill now - is an opening for non-app store third party experiences.

throwaway49849 3y ago

The AVP is one of the most out of touch products I've ever seen from a respected brand, and I can almost hear Steve Job's scathing criticisms of it, based on everything I know about him. Not to mention, it goes against the increasing trend of less screens and less tech. The fact that it got made and is being pushed so hard as the next step in computing, is bonkers. So to me, it contributes because it is another data point that the leadership has compromised its ability to consistently make forward thinking decisions.

threeseed 3y ago
> Steve Job's scathing criticisms of it, based on everything I know about him Vision Pro patent from 2007 when Steve Jobs was still CEO: https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1753076050643575230 https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1753076050643575230
- throwaway49849 3y ago
  Collecting patents is not proof of a great idea. Exhibit A: Google's patent on a "sticky car" that is covered with adhesive, to stick to pedestrians when you hit them https://patents.google.com/patent/US9340178B1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US9340178B1/en
  - bbkane 3y ago
    This is amazing, thanks for the link!
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Have you looked at the patent? How is that supposed to be the Vision Pro? It's just a pair of sky googles with 2 displays in front of the eyes, connected to an Airpod for watching media. It's not so much Vision Pro as it is Nintendo Virtual Boy. Actually the virtual boy was more advanced since it let you play games. That kind of stereo display headset for watching videos inputs from external sources has existed since the 70's, long before Apple's patent 2007. How did they even get a patent for it? Another proof the patent system is broken since it seems they'll let you patent anything.
vdaea 3y ago
>it goes against the increasing trend of less screens and less tech Where are you seeing this "increasing trend"? Also, how should a tech company that makes money from selling gadgets react to this purported trend? Start selling chairs?
- throwaway49849 3y ago
  I'm sure you can find conflicting information, but here is a data point that aligns with my own experiences: "Human contact is becoming a luxury good." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/sunday-review/human-contact-luxury-screens.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/sunday-review/human-conta... >Also, how should a tech company that makes money from selling gadgets react to this purported trend? That's like asking what cigarette companies were supposed to do when we found out cigarettes cause cancer.
twobitshifter 3y ago
Here is Steve wanting headphones for video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W8HjoBL5fbU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W8HjoBL5fbU