I have experienced the same. I am a backend person with 30 years experience who spent 2 years doing only frontend (mostly react) and the tooling is depressingly

I have experienced the same. I am a backend person with 30 years experience who spent 2 years doing only frontend (mostly react) and the tooling is depressingly bad. What is worse though is that (even in this thread) most (all?) libraries scream ‘not our job’, so now it’s no-one’s job then as we don’t have ‘in between’ or ‘frontend/backend sync’ (I avoid middleware on purpose here as that’s already a thing) devs. Phoenix and other attempts are the future here imho. We have, for our saas with a few 100k users, rolled out a phoenix like (we use mostly go server side) next to our initial react/next frontend and a) our devs prefer it massively (write mostly only go and not typescript!) b) our users prefer it because it’s just more natural. With ssr you can accomplish the same but it takes more pain because we still have to think about state syncing etc; with liveview likes we are back to cgi on steroids: just handle it on the server and forget the client. You still have to do state but it’s much easier to reason about if it’s in one place.